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Pridružen/-a: 03.01. 2009, 11:34 Prispevkov: 223
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lenriquez - 17:27 on 22-May-2009 message
I just call the U.S. law firm that takes the case of FFX (305 - 442-1101) (http://www.lewistein.com/content/view/contactus) and I was served a secretary (Castilian speaking) that tells me that they actually take the case of freezing of funds in the U.S., but it can not give many details of the item, the lawyer leading the case was communicated to me (I asked my mobile number) to anyone who calls him take the data and who has drawn so many people like to know the topic, for a conference to be notified via telephone to clarify any doubts, I recommend that you call ... greetings
lenriquez - 17:27 na 22-May-2009 sporočil
Pravkar sem poklical ameriškega prava družba, ki je v primeru FFX (305 - 442-1101) (http://www.lewistein.com/content/view/contactus) in sem bil vročen tajnica (Kastiljski govor), ki mi da se dejansko sprejme primeru zamrznitve sredstev v ZDA, vendar je ne more več podrobnosti o tej točki, odvetnik vodilnih primeru je bil z menoj (sem vprašal mojo številko mobilnega telefona), da vsakomur, ki ga sprejme klice, podatke in ki je izdelan tako veliko ljudem všeč, da pozna temo, za konference, ki se sporočijo po telefonu, da bi pojasnil vse dvome, priporočam, da pokličeš ... pozdravi |
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periegetes Poznavalec FOREX-a
Pridružen/-a: 30.11. 2008, 12:44 Prispevkov: 380
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Ne vem :?
Po mojem ni ravno najbolje, da kličemo odvetniško firmo in sprašujemo, če so njihov klient. Zakaj pa bi nam sploh povedali, če so njihova stranka, pa tudi če so res? EMG in ne FFX, kot so že nekateri baje klicali in spraševali (??), ni znano podjetje, da bi si preko njih Lewis Tein nabiral slavo. Pa tudi še zdaleč niso dolžni povedati, če ne želijo, kdo so njihovi klienti... |
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greece Investitor
Pridružen/-a: 30.11. 2008, 19:15 Prispevkov: 185
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uros.juznic Investitor
Pridružen/-a: 04.04. 2009, 08:54 Prispevkov: 205
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[quote="greece"][quote="uros.juznic"][quote="greece"]Španci razturajo;
http://www.invertired.com/group_discussion_view.php?group_id=79&grouptopic_id=3209[/quote]
in kaj si hotu s tem povedat???[/quote]
Da je zadeva morda za koga zanimiva in da Španci za razliko od nekaterih pri nas, ki venomer samo jamrajo, tudi malo raziskujejo...[/quote]
pa dej mal več povej no, al ti je treba vsak besedo izvlečt? :D |
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posrednik Investitor
Pridružen/-a: 04.01. 2009, 22:16 Prispevkov: 256
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Neo Vajenec
Pridružen/-a: 04.12. 2008, 16:02 Prispevkov: 81
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Vse kar je bilo je bilo tistih 350 €, ki so dejansko pljunek v morje.
Kakšna dobra novica bi bila res dobrodošla. |
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Drobizek Investitor
Pridružen/-a: 09.02. 2009, 19:45 Prispevkov: 248 Kraj: Ljubljana
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nekaj časa nazaj so govorili, da bo drugi teden sproščenih nevem koliko milionov, da se bo lahko poplačalo zaostanke, zdaj, pa ni govora o tem, baje da zdaj neka odv. družba zastopa emg. jaz nič več ne verjamem, verjamem tisto kar bom videl! |
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cbrony MODERATOR
Pridružen/-a: 30.11. 2008, 10:04 Prispevkov: 529
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[color=red]se enkrat naprosamo vse da obcutke, predvidevanja in ostale podobne zadeve objavljate v FFX(Finanzas forex) NE/ZAUPANJE
Tale tema pa naj ostane izkljucno za informacije in pomoc!
edino tako bomo ohranili preglednost foruma!
hvala za razumevanje!
pozz
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Remember Poznavalec FOREX-a
Pridružen/-a: 30.11. 2008, 20:49 Prispevkov: 422 Kraj: Sežana
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Urani forum FFX http://forums.finanzasforex.com logirajte se v backoffice FFX-a. Branik bolše da odkleneš temo ID-ID ker drugače bo pa ta tema polna teh ponudb. |
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cbrony MODERATOR
Pridružen/-a: 30.11. 2008, 10:04 Prispevkov: 529
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Dobro je to da so se malo zbudli... ampak zaenkrat se ne da nic vpisat;)
kar pa se prenakazil tice se bodo ze sproti cistili vpisi, ker res kar se zadnje case dogaja v tej temi nima ne repa ne glave... ponujajo kao po 10%, pol jih pa ni ko se kdo pojavi,... tko daaa... ko se zadeva normalizira bo pa spet odprto;) |
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vcvetko Začetnik
Pridružen/-a: 02.02. 2009, 18:40 Prispevkov: 32
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[b]Evo tole je iz onega španskega foruma: (čisto odspodi je še PREVOD v SLO)
prevajal google translate[/b]
CURRENT STATUS OF THE REAL FOREX FINANCE:
I will say in general terms how things are, but always clarify, this is only my opinion ok? And "NO" IS AN OFFICIAL NOTICE OF FFX.
1 - As regards the freezing of funds in the USA:
Many people doubted what I did on my own detailed research esculcando any public record which, I take more than a month putting the puzzle, but finally found it in the public record, with evidence that there is actually a lock gold and cash, but not directly to FFX, but the companies receiving the money in the USA.
We never publish these tests, because a FFX asked permission to do so, since everything can be found on the Internet, but they told me that it was not advisable since it could hinder the process, so they decided to publish the law firm that is bringing the case and if they know that these can and can not be said and who cast doubt on this process can reach, they are in Miami. Of course I obeyed and did not publish anything, because the sensitivity to the process that would say something that was not due.
2-As for the new measures adopted recently:
I have seen this before as a division between black and white investors, who are the latter measure leads to total despair because they do not understand, but there are also a large part of investors welcomed this news and I include myself in this last group, because we understand that it becomes a new proof of the nature and seriousness of FFX, and the real start towards normalization, without having to rely on the funds released in the USA.
I met a person who is an investor like you or like me, but works for a long time on a voluntary basis with support. For obvious reasons I will not say his name, but this person showed me all the support online FFX and I'm terrified of what is behind paginita one sees that as an investor, then I realized once again that these people do not playing, you should see the giant behind which only shows the site. There was something that I call too much attention, seeing the large number of tickets written, it was clear as nearly 95% of these came from Colombia and the remaining 5% is distributed among other countries. He was there when I realized that the focus of this panic in Colombia and in my opinion, is the legacy that I leave the wave of Pirámides that occurred in 2008, but I saw something even more curious, the people in Colombia that FFX is very afraid
a pyramid, but much more annoying when FFX does not behave like one.
If you look well, nobody has lost money FFX, there is a problem of availability, but this solution and the company has never hidden .... but people accustomed to cases in Colombia as DMG, DRFE etc., FFX would require it to behave like this, so they can keep winning and doing nothing much in recent months that has been paid an average 1.5% per month which is not negligible, people came in and against FFX anyone who defends.
So it is clear that the focus of this panic in Colombia and is being transmitted to the rest of the world through Internet blogs so massive, everything lies in the fact that thousands of people still missing a lot of culture to understand that investment This is not magic is an investment in history there is an investment that has not been cyclical with ups and downs, this has never been a negative return and see everything that you have armed FFX.
3-My personal recommendation:
This situation outside FFX but that has affected us all in some way, has brought us many lessons. I recommend to all those who blame FFX your current financial situation, to reread Terms, in particular Article 4 and will see that FFX has not failed in anything, are the investors who voluntarily by emotion, by ignorance or misinformation their sponsors, risked more than it could and now they want to blame FFX their personal decisions.
Anyone with a known culture of investment, no investment in the world is watching every month, but at least annually and if people take a calculator and calculate the interest in the last 12 months using the lowest plan, they will realize everything and that this problem is a marvel, as the average exceeds 60% annually in the lower.
Some frequently asked questions these days. When everything is normal?
R / a: For this there are two plans in place, a release of funds in the U.S., we have the best lawyers, they say there is a very good chance of doing this, but time is uncertain.
The other plan is to just to inform investors, but which was launched almost from the moment that started the problem. Basically it is using some of the income generated by funds that are operating outside the U.S. for irle replacing the old people that their investment and no interest for new investment, which not only generate regular income, but pay the 0.5% commission and must function normally in all aspects including requests for withdrawal.
2 With these plans in place, if the funds released in the USA, perfect! It solves everything, but if they do not take much time or the other plan will eventually all new investment and investors have all be back to normal and it will be even better than before the problem. Since no one can predict exactly what will generate income from now on, we can not give an exact date to know how to convert all taken from old to new investments, but in my opinion, when do the 2 first times, we can find a pattern that tells us roughly how long it would take to normalize everything.
Was dated 20 Abril/09 and I do not get my card
R / a: 26.000 It has plans to send cards, but on the other side to send people to 26.000 cards would not be able to use? Sending cards to be in line with the availability of money in Pacific Mutual, we decided to inject capital to Pacific Mutual, or 2 if possible up to 3 times a month, then sent those cards to 26.000 time but in groups weekly between 3,000 to 5,000 cards in the order that was requested. Only those who fall into one of these groups a week, they will put an estimated date of delivery, otherwise they will appear the word Label, until entry into a new set of postage. It is likely that those who called for 2, only to send one for now and after leaving the second volume.
As soon as I can withdraw money from FFX?
R / a: Well this will always be a personal decision, no one absolutely no one, not even Germán Cardona, can say that will happen in the future. Here we speak of plans based on probabilities, and these are the people who are in favor of FFX. The Forex brokerage model is too new a model without a global total regulatory and all the indications are that the north of this model in terms of regulations will be quite demanding, as the former approaches that countries have to try to regulate this type of Forex, Forex known as OTC. indicate that virtually only the brokers and banks can offer this in future investment. At this point there is no single Forex brokerage company that is preparing for this, other than Finance Forex.
Tirn in a statement and express that they do not grow excessively and that whenever they see fit and stay close with those. Which I really think from them, but it kills people the real future of this ... very few people here understand that money is not big on investing in the career plans and whether a plan will make a career in a company that already knows it will not grow, because it would make sense because it would be a plan limited.
Forex Macro is a total silence, for they only know the one that pays more and has not had any problems, but there is no owner, no one knows how many investors have not respected the laws of any country but encourage their members to continue to grow where they are, into believing that it is 100% legal. I have spoken to many investors and there Macro FX criterion of all is the same as those who had invested in DMG of Colombia, which was:
"I only know they are paying and have not been bad to anyone, otherwise I do not care."
... this is the approach of those who are investing with FX Macro. Bet more than the investor.
(Forgive those in FX Macro, but I'm giving my opinion, ok?)
There are many more emerging companies, but say these are the 3 that stand out, the difference between FFX and the other is enormous, but this will only show the world where most things have normalized in FFX.
Germán Cardona and even sent messages to their key investors in the future and doing reading comprehension, in his lectures he said:
"Continuity of business will be speaking, in our case the name is not what matters, but people ..."
Germán Cardona.
... many did not understand, because they just want to give them their money and that this is not a pyramid, but if paid as one.
I think personally, that when you show the true giant behind FFX, many people feel pity for having said or done things against FFX, but good, only time will tell and we can never forget the risky nature not only to invest in FOREX, but taking a company forward to pay 10% monthly average people, so they do not know or is FOREX.
I do not know if they are investors or not, but if you really are and are on the side of FFX, they have a great responsibility to our fellow Colombians, because the lack of education about investments between the people of Colombia, will many will miss this tremendous opportunity and / or to be closed permanently in Colombia, for those who understand and appreciate if.
I am designing an education plan in this regard, which is when you are ready, think of proposing to the Super Intendencia Financial Colombia, starting education about FOREX OTC in themselves, not to pass them back to the error committed Forex with FIT.
I have given enough information and
continue ahead .... my, my trust in FFX
1000% is never forgetting that there will always be
risks and any word or Germán Cardona
Steering FFX is not for me any warranty,
simply believe in the possibilities of this project and
the good intentions of those who are in charge.
Maharaji
p / p; JRR.
[b]Še vo SLO:[/b]
Trenutni status THE REAL FOREX FINANCE:
Jaz bom rekel na splošno, kako so stvari, ampak vedno pojasni, to je samo moje mnenje ok? In "NE" je uradni OBVESTILO O FFX.
1 - V zvezi z zamrznitvijo sredstev v ZDA:
Veliko ljudi spraševala, kaj sem naredil na svoje podrobne raziskave esculcando vsako javno evidenco, ki vzamejo več kot en mesec dajanje puzzle, ampak na koncu ugotovilo, da v javni evidenci, z dokazi, da obstaja dejansko ključavnico zlato in denar, vendar ne neposredno na FFX, ampak podjetij, ki prejme denar v ZDA.
Mi nikoli ne objavi teh preskusov, ker je FFX zaprosila za dovoljenje, da to storijo, saj vse, kar je mogoče najti na internetu, ampak mi je povedal, da ni priporočljivo, saj lahko ovirajo proces, zato so se odločili, da objavijo pravo podjetje, ki je začetek postopka in če vedo, da se ti lahko in ne moremo reči, ki vzbujajo dvom o tem postopku ne more doseči, če so v Miamiju. Seveda sem poslušal in ni objavila ničesar, saj je občutljivost na proces, ki bi rekel, da ni bil pričakovan.
2-Ker za nove ukrepe, sprejete v zadnjem času:
Videl sem te pred kot razliko med črno in belo vlagateljem, ki so ta ukrep privede do skupnega obup, ker ne razumete, vendar obstaja tudi velik del vlagatelji pozdravili to news and I vključuje zase v tej zadnji skupini, saj razumemo, da je postala nov dokaz, da je narava in resnost FFX, in resnično začeti smeri normalizaciju, brez da se zanašajo na sredstva, sproščena v ZDA.
Spoznala sem osebo, ki je investitor, kot ste vi ali kot jaz, ampak dela za dalj časa na prostovoljni podlagi, s podporo. Zaradi očitnih razlogov ne bom povedati svoje ime, vendar ta oseba mi je pokazala vse podpore online FFX in sem prestrašen, kaj je zadaj paginita enega vidi, da je investitor, potem pa sem ugotovil, še enkrat, da ti ljudje ne igra, ki jo bi videti zadaj velikan, ki samo kaže na spletno stran. Nekaj je bilo, da pokličem preveč pozornosti, saj je veliko število vstopnic pisno, je bilo jasno, kot je skoraj 95% od teh je iz Kolumbije in ostalih 5% je porazdeljenih med drugimi državami. On je bil tam, ko sem spoznala, da se poudarkom te panike v Kolumbiji in v mojem mnenju, je dediščina, ki jo zapustijo val Pirámides, ki so se zgodile v letu 2008, vendar sem videl nekaj še bolj radovedni, ljudi v Kolumbiji, ki FFX je zelo prestrašen
piramidni, vendar veliko bolj moteč, ko FFX ne obnašajo kot eden.
Če pogledaš dobro, nihče ni izgubil denar FFX, obstaja problem dostopnosti, vendar pa ta rešitev in družba ni nikoli skrit .... toda ljudje so navajeni na primere, v Kolumbiji kot DMG, DRFE itd FFX bi zahteva, da se obnašajo tako kot to, da lahko vodijo zmagovalnih in delam nič v zadnjih mesecih, da je bil plačan v povprečju 1,5% na mesec, ki ni zanemarljiva, ljudje prišli v FFX in proti vsakomur, ki brani.
Torej je jasno, da se poudarkom te panike v Kolumbiji in se prenašajo s preostalim svetom prek interneta blogi tako masivni, vse je v dejstvu, da se na tisoče ljudi še vedno manjka veliko kulture razumeti, da naložbe To ni magija je naložba v zgodovini obstaja naložba, ki ni bil s cikličnim oken in padale, tega še nikoli ni bila negativna vrnete in vidim vse, ki ste jih oborožene FFX.
3-Moje osebno priporočilo:
Ta položaj zunaj FFX, ampak da je prizadeti vsi na nek način, je nas veliko naukov. Priporočamo vam, da za vse tiste, ki krivijo FFX vaše trenutne finančne situacije, do reread Pogoji, zlasti člen 4 in bo videl, da FFX ni uspelo v nič, se je vlagateljem, ki so jih prostovoljno čustvo, ki ga nevednosti ali dezinformacije njihovi sponzorji, tvegali več kot bi lahko, zdaj pa jih želite krivde FFX njihove osebne odločitve.
Vsakdo z znano kulturo naložb, naložb v svetu, je bedeti vsak mesec, vendar najmanj enkrat na leto in če ljudje sprejmejo kalkulator in izračun obresti v zadnjih 12 mesecih po najnižji načrtu, bo spoznala vse in da se ta problem se čudite, saj je treba povprečno presega 60% letno v spodnji.
Nekatera pogosto zastavljena vprašanja v teh dneh. Ko je vse normalno?
R / a: Za to obstajata dva načrtov v mestu, je sprostitev sredstev v ZDA, smo najboljše odvetnike, jim povedati je zelo dobra priložnost za to, ampak čas je negotov.
Drugi načrt je samo, da obvesti vlagatelje, ki pa se je začel skoraj od trenutka, ki se je začel problem. V bistvu je s pomočjo nekaterih dohodek, ki ga ustvarijo skladi, ki delujejo zunaj ZDA irle za zamenjavo starih ljudi, da so njihove naložbe in ne interesa za nove investicije, ki ne le rednega dohodka, vendar se plača 0,5% provizije in mora normalno delovanje v vseh vidikih, vključno z zahtevki za odvzem.
2 S temi načrti v mestu, če se sredstva, sproščena v ZDA, odlično! To rešuje vsega, toda če ne sprejmejo veliko časa ali drugi načrt bo sčasoma vse nove investicije in ga imajo vlagatelji vse nazaj na normalno in se bo še boljša kot pred problem. Ker nihče ne more natančno napovedati, kaj bo prineslo dohodka od zdaj naprej, ne moremo podati točen datum, da veš, kako pretvoriti vse sprejeti od starih do novih naložb, ampak po mojem mnenju, ko naredite prvi 2 krat, lahko najdete vzorec, ki nam pove približno koliko časa bi bilo potrebno za normalizuje vse.
Je bil dne 20. Abril/09 in jaz ne dobim mojo vizitko
R / a: 26,000 Ima načrte poslati kartice, vendar na drugi strani, da pošljejo ljudi na 26,000 kartice ne bi mogli uporabiti? Pošiljanje kartic, ki jih je treba v skladu z razpoložljivostjo denarja v Pacifiku Vzajemno, smo se odločili, da kapitala za Pacifik Vzajemno, ali 2, če je mogoče, do 3-krat na mesec, nato pa pošlje teh kartic 26,000 času, vendar v skupinah tedenski med 3000 do 5000 kartic v vrstnem redu, ki je bilo zahtevano. Samo tisti, ki spadajo v eno od teh skupin na teden, jih bo predvideni datum dostave, sicer bodo prikazana beseda Nalepka do začetka novega sklopa poštnina. Verjetno je, da tisti, ki je pozval k 2, le da za zdaj pošljejo po enega in po odhodu iz drugega glasnost.
Takoj ko bom lahko dvignili denar iz FFX?
R / a: Pa te bo vedno osebna odločitev, nihče absolutno nihče, niti Germán Cardona, lahko rečemo, da se bo zgodilo v prihodnosti. Tu govorimo o načrti temeljijo na verjetnosti in so ti ljudje, ki so v korist FFX. The Forex posredništvo model je preveč nov model brez globalni skupni regulativni in vse kaže, da je severno od tega modela v smislu predpisov, bo dokaj zahtevna, saj je bivši pristopih, ki so jih države, da bi poskušali urediti ta tip Forex, Forex znan kot OTC. kažejo, da je skoraj samo posredniki in banke lahko ponudijo to v prihodnje naložbe. Na tej točki ni enotnega Forex posredniške družbe, ki se pripravlja za to, razen finance Forex.
Tirn v izjavi in izrazi, da ne rastejo preveč in da, kadar se jim zdi primerno in ostanite blizu teh. Kar sem res mislil, iz njih, vendar pa ubija ljudi resnične prihodnosti te ... zelo malo ljudi tukaj razumeti, da denarja ni velik o vlaganju v poklicne načrte in ali je načrt bo kariero v podjetju, ki že ve, ne bo povečalo, saj bi bila smiselna, saj bi načrt omejen.
Forex Macro je skupna tišina, ker so vedeli le tisti, ki plača več in ni imel nobenih težav, vendar ni lastnik, nihče ne ve, koliko imajo vlagatelji ne spoštuje zakonodaje katere koli države, temveč spodbujati svoje člane, da še naprej raste, če so, v prepričanju, da je 100% legalno. Sem govoril z mnogimi vlagatelji in Macro FX merilo vse je isti kot tisti, ki so investirali v DMG Kolumbije, ki je bila:
"Sem samo vedeti, če se plačujejo in ni bilo slabo, da kdorkoli, sicer ne skrbi."
... to je pristop tistih, ki vlagajo v FX Macro. Stavim, da več kot investitorja.
(Oprosti tistimi v FX Makro, ampak sem daje moje mnenje, prav?)
Obstaja mnogo več nastajajočih podjetij, ampak rekli so 3, ki izstopajo, se razlika med FFX in drugo je ogromen, vendar bo to samo pokazati svetu, kjer je večina stvari Normalizirani v FFX.
Germán Cardona in tudi poslana sporočila na njihove ključne vlagateljev v prihodnost in delaš bralno razumevanje, v svoji predavanjih je rekel:
"Neprekinjenost poslovanja bo govor, v našem primeru ime ni pomembno, vendar pa ljudje ..."
Germán Cardona.
... mnogi niso razumeli, ker oni hočejo, da jim njihov denar in da to ni piramida, ampak če se plača kot eno.
Osebno mislim, da ko se pokažejo prave veleslaloma za FFX, številni ljudje počutijo milosti, ker je rekel ali naredil stvari proti FFX, ampak dobro, le čas bo povedal in bomo nikoli pozabili na tvegane narave, ne le za naložbe v FOREX, vendar pri čemer podjetje posreduje za plačilo 10% mesečnih povprečnih ljudi, zato ne vedo, ali je FOREX.
Ne vem, če so vlagatelji ali ne, ampak če si v resnici in so na strani FFX, imajo veliko odgovornost za naše kolege kolumbijci, saj pomanjkanje izobraževanja o naložbah med ljudi Kolumbije, bo veliko bo zamudite te izredne priložnosti in / ali da se stalno zaprta v Kolumbiji, za tiste, ki so razumeli in cenili, če.
I am oblikovanje izobraževalnega načrta v zvezi s tem, kar je, če ste pripravljeni, mislim, da predlaga, da se Super Intendencia Finančni Kolumbija, začenši izobraževanja o FOREX OTC v sebi, ne da bi šli nazaj do napake zavezana Forex s FIT.
Moram dati dovolj informacij in
še naprej .... moja, moje zaupanje v FFX
1000% nikoli ne pozabijo, da vedno bo
tveganj in vsako besedo ali Germán Cardona
Usmerjevalni FFX ni zame nobenih jamstev,
preprosto verjamem v možnostih tega projekta in
dobrimi nameni, ki so odgovorni.
Maharaji
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Pridružen/-a: 15.05. 2009, 20:55 Prispevkov: 9
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Hvala za tale prispevek, mislim da veliko pove, samo pravilno je treba razumeti |
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Lakshmi Investitor
Pridružen/-a: 29.11. 2008, 22:24 Prispevkov: 187
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Čas bo pokazal, če smo pravilnom razumeli FFX zgodbo. Do takrat pa je vse skupaj samo fatamorgana. |
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