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finanrb · Vajenec Pridružen/-a: 19.05. 2009, 07:04 Prispevkov: 56

[quote="optimist"]tipa bodo itaq fental nc bat...pokradel je pol kolumbije....za vse nas naj bo to sola v zivljenju...admin ti pa odpri topic tozba...PROSIM[/quote]

se strinjam s tabo in mislim,da še mnogo drugih,piši mi na pm

Marc · Objavljeno: 09 Dec 2009 20:08 Naslov sporočila:

Nihce ne bo fentan.Meni ni nihce pistolo nad glavo drzal ,ko sem vlagal v to sranje.Edino ce mu bojo lahko dokazali goljufijo,kar pa dvomim ker je mojster bil udelezen ze pri mnogih tovrstnih goljufijah.

mirosss1 · Objavljeno: 09 Dec 2009 20:28 Naslov sporočila:

Pa tako sem upal,da bom lahko vsaj 1 dvig naredil,preden mi kartica
poteče,pa še tako draga je bila :? :? :?

koco007 · Vajenec Pridružen/-a: 05.02. 2009, 16:18 Prispevkov: 60

Evo iz hrvaškega foruma.
Čakam prevod,če ga bom dočakal!
LP

Cardonino pojašnjenje vijesti od 08.12.2009 na Španjolskom (dok ne
stigne prijevod),

Amigos inversores foristas y no foristas

Tengan ustedes buena noche
Como ustedes saben el día de ayer 8 de diciembre de 2009, se produjo un comunicado por parte de la Dirección Evolution Market Group y que fue publicado en la página oficial de Finanzas Forex. Si alguien no ha observado dicho comunicado, le pedimos el favor y lo lea primero para que pueda entender lo que sigue a continuación.
Como es natural, dicho comunicado genera una serie de interrogantes por parte de los inversores; por ello antes que de lugar a especulaciones y que nos desgastemos aquí en dudas; nosotros en calidad de representantes del grupo “Proactivos por Soluciones en FFX”, fuimos directamente a la fuente de la información que es el señor Germán Cardona Soler, con el fin de aclarar algunos aspectos de dicho comunicado; aclaramos de antemano que lo expresado aquí es lo que hablamos con él y no está sujeto a interpretaciones nuestras, acomodamiento de las palabras, inclinaciones a su favor o a su contra; tampoco la redacción se basa en transcribir una grabación ya que por respeto y por acuerdo, está prohibido grabar las conversaciones con él. Expresamos los hechos como son, con base al resumen de las notas recogidas:
MOTIVO DEL COMUNICADO
Dice que se han presentado unos cambios no previstos que demandan soluciones a favor de los inversores y hechos concretos, por otro lado, se debe avanzar más en el camino hacia la regulación para quienes deseen seguir invirtiendo. Lamentablemente han tenido algunos retrasos en los pagos que están recibiendo por concepto de algunas de las inversiones en Europa y no se puede seguir creciendo la deuda con los inversores. Para quienes invirtieron capital en Europa o a quienes se les haya activado capital, se requiere empezar a devolverles el dinero a través de PM para que dispongan de él, ya sea que quieran invertirlo a través de brókeres regulados o lo deseen retirar definitivamente.
Hace énfasis que todo este cambio no es que deje premeditadamente sin valor los últimos comunicados o que sea una intención de ellos el estar cambiando las cosas, que precisamente obedece es al cambio de variables a los que se ven sujetos día a día y que son estas variables las que no han permitido dar por ejemplo una fecha exacta para los pagos pendientes por tarjeta.
Dice que el interés de la compañía desde un inicio fue siempre ir tras la búsqueda de figuras reguladas y de esto hay plena constancia que puede ser verificada tanto por los inversores como por cualquier autoridad. En este momento y con las variables mencionadas a que se ha visto sometida la compañía, se requiere tomar decisiones drásticas; “coger el toro por los cuernos” - dice él, enfocando todo a la regulación. Una de estas decisiones es no continuar más inversiones a través de EMG o FFX, no se puede postergar más la continuidad de la empresa bajo las situaciones cambiantes existentes que van es a prolongar la espera y sin resultados concretos, que es lo que menos desean los inversores; se sabe que para lograr este objetivo se debe sanear primero lo pendiente, y en este orden no se puede continuar con varios frentes de trabajo; sino ocupar el máximo de tiempo, energías y recursos en sólo dos frentes:
a) Recuperar los capitales retenidos en EEUU
b) Proveer la oportunidad para que una vez recuperados estos dineros e incluso una vez devueltas las inversiones existentes en Europa, quien desee seguir invirtiendo lo haga a través de las figuras reguladas, o en su efecto, disponga a su antojo del dinero
Dice que los inversionistas deben tomar esto como señales positivas de hechos concretos, ya que lo que la gente desea son los dineros para hacer con ellos lo que deseen, y el primer paso es empezar con lo de Europa que es con lo que se cuenta y está disponible bajo las condiciones explicadas en el comunicado.

EXPLICACIONES A PREGUNTAS QUE SE HICIERON
¿Cuando se va a terminar de devolver entonces el dinero y rentabilidades pendientes de pago que están en Europa?
- Dice: Repito, no se pueden dar fechas exactas con esta variables que están sucediendo, que no están a nuestro alcance controlar, pero se estima que a finales de febrero se haya terminado de dar este proceso de devoluciones y si no es así, por lo menos se haya alcanzado a devolver en ese momento un 80% o mas. Es importante tener en cuenta que durante este proceso los dineros no rentarán.
En el comunicado se habla de que tienen inversiones en Europa en bienes que no tienen liquidez, y que los van a pasar a tener liquidez ¿Se refiere a inversiones en finca raíz como ya algunos suponen y que por tanto se deben vender?
- Dice: No se trata de inversiones en finca raíz, son activos que como ya se explicó, son inversiones amparadas bajo la luz del contrato firmado entre la empresa y los inversores; por su naturaleza se deben hacer líquidas para poder devolver el dinero. Lo que es importante es que los inversores sepan que la empresa tiene en Europa unos activos líquidos que están colocados y que por la naturaleza de su colocación en el mercado, no se pueden emplear para empezar con ellos la devolución. Se cuenta con otros activos que son los que en este momento se van a empezar a hacer líquidos y con ellos es que se va a comenzar el proceso de devolución, de ahí que se diga que se van a producir en fechas que no necesariamente sea a principios de mes. Se espera eso si que el tiempo para hacerlo sea el mas corto. Otra cosa que les debe dar tranquilidad a los inversores es que el total de estos activos cubre plenamente los capitales y ganancias obtenidas hasta el momento.
En el último mensaje emitido por usted, se habla de que las rentabilidades causadas a finales del 2008, que se reflejaban en la página de la compañía, eran lo que les reportaban las empresas con las que ustedes trabajaban pero que éstas eran irreales ¿Hay algún riesgo que en Europa se esté presentando lo mismo y que por eso es que no pagan?
- Dice: En ningún momento, lo que está en Europa está directamente controlado, situación que no sucedía en EEUU que nos teníamos que cobijar a los manejos de otras empresas intermediarias, legales y reguladas en ese país. Lo que está en Europa está representado en los activos ya mencionados, manejamos directamente las operaciones y tenemos todos los soportes de operación y a buen cuidado los dineros; por eso es que los inversores que enviaron sus dineros allí y a quienes se les ha activado capital, deben estar tranquilos por la seguridad y estado de sus capitales y rentabilidades; que como ya se dijo, en un lapso corto de tiempo los podrán tener de nuevo a su libre disposición.
¿Por qué a quienes se les ha activado capitales desde el 15 de junio del 2009, sus inversiones van a durar 6 meses más y no se les devuelve en el mismo lapso que quienes enviaron dineros a Europa?
- Dice: En el comunicado se colocó que podrían ser 6 meses o según el resultante de la decisión de las autoridades en EEUU, ya que si empezamos a devolver este dinero ahora, y después las autoridades deciden desbloquear el dinero para devolverlo a los inversionistas; estaríamos incurriendo en doble pago de un porcentaje del dinero, uno el que se pagaría por concepto de activación de un porcentaje del total de la inversión y otro, el total que nos indicarían las autoridades. Por eso toca esperar a la resolución final de la autoridades que también esperamos sea dentro de pocas semanas como ya se indicó.
¿Hemos de considerar que lo que nosotros como inversores llamamos Plan “B” no existe ya?
- Dice: Lo que se había diseñado recuerden que era para intentar reemplazar los dineros de EEUU mientras duraba el bloqueo y que estos siguieran trabajando mientras se daba la decisión final de las autoridades, como ha sido hasta el momento con lo que se alcanzó a activar. Pero ya en este punto y con estos obligados cambios, si producto de los negocios o demás inversiones que hagamos a partir del momento, se llegase a tener una cantidad suficiente de ganancias, se utilizarían éstas para activar capital bloqueado pero no para que este se ponga a producir, sino para que ya lo empiecen a retira de una vez; pero igual esto se daría y depende de lo que determinen las autoridades, porque no sabemos bajo que condiciones se den sus decisiones, ni cuanto porcentaje permitan al final desbloquear. Lo que si debe quedar claro al respecto y por esto lo digo enfáticamente -Es que Germán Cardona no se va a quedar con un solo dólar de los inversionistas; lo que determinen las autoridades devolver, se devolverá a sus dueños y mi compromiso es que sea como sea y según el dictamen de las autoridades, haremos lo que sea necesario para que todos recuperen su dinero invertido y la mayor parte de las ganancias reflejadas, tal como se los dije a ustedes los de proactivos o como ya se publicó oficialmente el 12 de octubre en la página. Tengan la confianza necesaria en lo que hacemos, y este es el mejor momento para estar unidos, entiendo que la prioridad de ustedes como grupo es la de recuperar el dinero y créanme que esta es la prioridad de nosotros también como empres; enfoquemos los esfuerzos en ese propósito y si ya después alguien quiere demandar o poner mi nombre en tela de juicio que lo haga, pero primero lo primero, vamos a recuperar el dinero.
Para poder hacer los pagos de lo de Europa se van a requerir medios de pago ¿Cómo van a hacer si ni siquiera han llegado el total de las nuevas tarjetas anunciadas?
- Dice: Lo de las tarjetas no ha sido nada fácil y más cuando las que al final van a recibir, hasta ahora se implementan como nuevas. Hoy por hoy las compañías que desean hacer sus pagos por tarjetas están teniendo un retraso en su expedición y envío, esto se puede verificar fácilmente, pero no debe ser tomado como una excusa y mas que estamos hablando de tarjetas anunciadas desde inicio de año, y que por causas ajenas los inversores no las han podido tener; lo que deben entender es que estas tarjetas de ahora son ya propias y por tanto nuevas; es decir que desde que se previeron ya como oficiales, ha transcurrido un tiempo normal para los trámites necesarios; pero efectivamente ya en poco tiempo van a contar con ellas y las van a poder utilizar para sus retiros.
Usted en el comunicado dice que estamos a pocas semanas de producirse una resolución por parte de las autoridades americanas ¿A que se refiere concretamente?
- Dice: Como se dijo en el mensaje enviado hace días, nos dieron unos días para que los abogados terminen de cumplir unos requerimientos que van a ser útiles en el proceso de resolución final; no es conveniente entrar en detalles en que es lo que van a presentar; sin embargo, se va a buscar desvirtuar especialmente los señalamientos de presunto lavado de activos que como ya se dijo en el mensaje anterior es uno de los inconvenientes existentes. Al respecto, estamos optimistas que nos va a ir bien y no se desfallecerá en el esfuerzo por demostrar que no se incurrió en ese tipo de falta; no se desconoce que quizás se pudo incurrir en errores de tipo administrativo, pero nadie puede decir que el objetivo de la empresa era el lavar dinero o que esta era la intención nuestra como la de los inversores. A mediados de mes cumpliremos con los requerimientos y se estima que el señor Juez se tome un tiempo para evaluarlos; tengo entendido que normalmente este lapso siguiente puede tomar 30 días o mas, pero ustedes deben entender que este tiempo ya no está bajo nuestro control. Tengan la seguridad que cuando sepamos algo lo vamos a comunicar.
Si un inversor normal o en este caso nosotros en representación de un grupo le preguntamos ¿Es posible que se pierda el dinero?... ¿Usted sinceramente que responde?
- Dice: Si las autoridades evalúan detalladamente la información, no habría razón para perder dinero alguno, seamos optimistas que no va a ser así; pero vuelvo y repito; sea cual sea la decisión, buscaremos la manera para que todos los inversores recuperen los capitales de inversión y la mayor cantidad de rentabilidades reflejadas.
¿Los inversores que tienen cargadas sus tarjetas van a poder hacer sus retiros antes del 24 de diciembre?
- Dice: Es lo que todos queremos y esperamos que así sea; si no se ha podido hasta ahora, ha sido porque no ha entrado la liquidez que se requiere; por eso ya no me atrevo a dar fechas exactas, pero si quiero que entiendan que todos los esfuerzos colocados en este momento es para quedar al día en estos pagos pendientes de los capitales operativos.
¿Existe alguna fecha proyectada para iniciar a hacer los pagos de lo de Europa, ya que se observa un 5% de estos dineros en saldo disponible de FFX pero no se puede mover a PM?
- Dice: Primero vamos es a proceder a aliviar la carga de pagos pendientes que están en PM, cuando se termine de limpiar en el buen sentido de la palabra y dejar saneado todo lo pendiente en PM, ahí si empezaremos a pagar lo de Europa; esperamos que sea en corto tiempo que empecemos a hacerlo; nuestra prioridad en este momento es disponer de la liquidez necesaria para solucionar los pagos pendientes.
En el comunicado dice que así los capitales activados se coloquen a seis meses más o hasta que salga la decisión en EEUU, si van a pagar las rentabilidades de todo lo que sea operativo ¿Si va a ser así o dichas rentabilidades también van a 6 meses?
- Dice: Se entiende que las rentabilidades son ya producidas y son aparte de los capitales, como ya dije, éstas se pagarán junto con los dineros y rentabilidades enviados directamente a Europa, una vez se empiece a tener liquidez de los activos que tenemos; los capitales si quedan a 6 meses por las razones que ya se dijo.

Esta charla se sostuvo hoy en la mañana y nos disculpan que hasta ahora en la noche publiquemos este documento; pero como ya lo hemos dicho, para trabajar en este proyecto empleamos el tiempo disponible que nos queda con respecto a las obligaciones principales.
Sólo resta decirles que antes de terminar la charla, se le comentó que seguimos en pie en la conformación de la personería jurídica para el grupo de proactivos y se preguntó por el asunto pendiente de la veeduría, a lo cual nos dijo que sin demoras iba a hacer la consulta con el abogado de la empresa y que éste se iba a poner en contacto con nosotros.
Como se ha insistido, todas estas actuaciones nuestras de aclarar comunicados y demás a través de la intermediación empresa-inversor, hacen parte del acompañamiento ofrecido al señor Germán Cardona Soler y a la empresa EMG (FFX) que hemos ofrecido como inversionistas; sin embargo, mantenemos nuestro lineamiento de ser independientes y autónomos en nuestras decisiones; nuestro lineamiento se fundamenta en que dicho acompañamiento redunde en la recuperación de los capitales de nosotros los inversionistas.

Atte,

PROACTIVOS POR SOLUCIONES EN FFX
Comité Organizador
¡No te cruces de brazos esperando te resuelvan el problema, anímate y se parte de la solución!
¡Todos unidos en un solo frente de trabajo, por lo nuestro!

mojcoli · NOVI član Pridružen/-a: 15.11. 2009, 21:15 Prispevkov: 6

Panama, 8 December 2009

Obvestilo

Trenutna situacija zahteva maksimalno pozornost, kar se tice ohranitve kapitalov investitorjev in ravno zaradi tega delamo na pravni ureditvi le teh.

Kot smo ze tudi povedali v prejsnjih obvestilih, so ameriske oblasti zelo blizu odlocitve o blokiranih kapitalih investitorjev.

Iz vsega nastetega moramo pac sprejeti dolocene odlocitve, ki bodo sele na dolgi rok pomenile edino sredstvo za zascito interesev investitorjev.

Kapitale, ki so vstopili v Evropo in so nelikvidni, ker so vlozeni v razne nedenarne dobrine, bomo spremenili v likvidne investicije, da jih boste lahko dvignili ali investirali v pravno urejene nalozbe. V tem casu, ki bo karseda krajsi, ti kapitali ne bodo proizvajali donosov, ker bomo zaceli s prodajo tega premozenja, da boste lahko razpolagali z njim. Kapitale, ki boste prejeli v tem casu, bodo del vase investicije.

Tiste kapitali, ki smo jih sproscevali od 15. junija naprej, bodo ostali investirani na 6 mesecev, dokler ne bo jasna razresitev situacije v ZDA.

Kapitale, ki so bili vlozeni v tem casu od 1. julija naprej (in so rezultat donosov od kapitalov), bomo tudi izrocili karseda najhitreje, da jih boste lahko dvignili ali investirali v pravno urejene nalozbe.

Upamo, da lahko zacnemo s tem procesom cimprej, smo pa odvisni od likvidnosti s katero razpolagamo.

Ce na kratko povzamemo:

Kapitali, ki so vstopili v Evropo, se vam bodo izrocili, da jih boste lahko dvignili ali investirali v pravno urejene nalozbe.

Kapitali, ki so se sproscevali od 15. junija naprej, izvirajoci iz blokiranih kapitalov, bodo ostali investirani na 6 mesecev, dokler ne bo jasna razresitev situacije v ZDA.

Donosi, ki so rezultat donosov od zgoraj omenjenih kapitalov, se bodo tudi izrocili, da jih boste lahko dvignili ali investirali v pravno urejene nalozbe.

Ti postopki kapitalov se ne bodoi izvajali ob dolocenih datumih, ne bodo se obvezno izvajali v prvih dneh meseca.

Lep pozdrav,

Uprava Evolution Market Group

vcvetko · Začetnik Pridružen/-a: 02.02. 2009, 18:40 Prispevkov: 32

Evo prevod, ang in slo...

Prijatelji vlagatelji forumers in ne forumers

Ali si lahko noč
Kot veste včeraj, 8. december 2009, je bila izjava direktorata Evolution Market Group, in objavljen na uradni spletni strani Finanzas Forex. Če kdo ni videl, da izjave, vas prosimo uslugo in najprej preberite, da boste razumeli, kaj sledi.
Seveda, to izjavo ustvarja vrsto vprašanj, ki jih vlagatelji, zato ne privede do špekulacij, da nas nosi sem v dvomih, smo kot predstavniki skupine "proaktivno v FFX Solutions", sva šla neposredno na vir informacij, ki G. Germain Cardona Soler, da za razjasnitev nekaterih vidikov, ki izjavi, da vnaprej pojasniti, da to, kar sem rekel, tukaj je, kaj smo se pogovarjali z njim, in ki niso predmet naših razlag, nastanitev besed, nagne v prid ali proti njim, niti jezik temelji na snemanje in prepisovanje spoštovanja in da sporazum ni zapis pogovorov z njim. Express dejstva, saj temeljijo na povzetek sprejetih opombe:
Sporočila o OB
Pravi, da je bilo nekaj nepričakovanih sprememb, da je povpraševanje po rešitvah za vlagatelje in dejstev, na drugi strani pa je treba storiti korak več na poti k uredbi za tiste, ki želijo še naprej investiralo. Na žalost so imeli nekaj zamude pri prejema plačila s pomočjo nekaterih naložb v Evropi in ne morete obdržati raste dolga z vlagatelji. Za tiste, ki vlagajo kapital v Evropi, ali so bili aktivni kapital, potreben za začetek vračilom denarja preko PM, da je to, ali želijo vlagati preko posrednikov Yacht reguliranih ali želiš odstraniti trajno.
Poudarja, da so vse te spremembe ni namerno ustaviti zadnja sporočila brez vrednosti ali pa namen, da se spreminja stvari, ki jim je ravno zaradi spremembe spremenljivk, ki so jim izpostavljeni vsak dan in da je teh spremenljivk, ki niso dati kot točen datum neporavnana plačila s kartico.
Pravi interes družbe, od začetka je bil vedno tekoč po iskanju številke, ki so pod nadzorom in v celoti zabeležena je mogoče preveriti tudi s strani vlagateljev, kot noben organ. V tem času je s temi spremenljivkami, ki je bil v okviru družbe potrebno drastičnih odločitev, "da bika za roge" - pravi, osredotoča predvsem ureditev. Eden takšnih odločitev, da ne nadaljuje s pomočjo nove naložbe EMG ali FFX, ne morete odložiti spet kontinuiteto poslovanja v okviru obstoječih spreminjajoče se razmere se bo počakati in podaljšati brez konkretnih rezultatov, kar je najmanj želijo vlagatelji, vemo da je za doseganje tega cilja je treba najprej počistiti pobočju, in v tem, da se ne more nadaljevati delo na mnogih področjih, vendar pa imajo kar veliko časa, energije in surovin na le dveh področjih:
a) Za povrnitev sredstev, ki v ZDA
b) zagotoviti možnost za ta sredstva, potem ko so izterjavo in celo po vrnitvi na obstoječih naložb v Evropi, ki si želijo še naprej investiralo preko rednih številka, ali v smislu, če denar po svoji volji
Pravi, da morajo vlagatelji sprejeti to kot pozitivne znake konkretnimi dejstvi, saj si ljudje želijo, kaj je denar za to s čim jih želijo, in prvi korak je, da začnete z Evropo, ki je tisto, kar je on rekel, in je na razpolago pod pogoji, razložene v izjavo.

Pojasnite na vprašanja postavljeno
Kdaj se bo končalo takrat denar in donose, ki so odprta v Evropi?
- Pravi: Ponavljam, ne more dati natančne datume s spremenljivkami, ki se dogajajo, ki niso v naši moči, da nadzor, vendar se ocenjuje, da bo do konca februarja, da so končali ta proces vračanja in če je tako, je bila vsaj dosegel, da se vrnete v tem času za 80% ali več. Pomembno je opozoriti, da v ta proces ne bo najemnina denarja.
Izjava govori z naložbami v Evropi, ki so nelikvidna sredstva, in to je tekoč imeti likvidnost Mislite, v nepremičninskih naložb, saj so nekatere Domnevam, in zato lahko prodaja?
- Pravi: To ni naložbe v nepremičnine, so sredstva, ki kot že pojasnjeno, so naložbe, zajete v luči pogodbe med družbo in vlagateljev, so po svoji naravi, se je tekočina, da povrne denar. Pomembno je, da vlagatelji vedeli, da ima družba v Evropi, nekaj likvidnih sredstev, ki so dane in ki po naravi svoje prodaje na trgu, ni mogoče uporabiti, da začnete z vrnitvijo tega blaga. On je druga sredstva, ki so v tem trenutku se bo začel postale tekočino in jo je treba začeti proces decentralizacije, je dejal, da se pridobi na času, ki ni nujno v začetku tega meseca. Pričakuje se, da če čas, da to je to najkrajša. Druga stvar, ki bi morala dati udobje za investitorje, da je skupni znesek teh sredstev, v celoti zajema kapital in dobičke do danes.
V sporočilu, ki ga vi, tam se govori, da donosi povzročil konec leta 2008, kar se odraža na spletni strani družbe, kar so bili poročanje podjetij, s katerimi ste delali, vendar so bili neresnični Ali obstaja nevarnost v Evropi, so ob isto stvar in zato ne plačajo?
- Pravi: V nobenem trenutku, ki je v Evropi, je neposredno pod nadzorom, stanje, ki ni zgodilo v ZDA, ki smo morali zatočišče ravnanje drugih trgovskih družb, pravnih in reguliranih tam. Kaj je v Evropi, je zastopana v zgoraj omenjenih sredstev, dejavnosti in neposredno upravljajo vseh medijih so se že skrbno poslovanje denarna sredstva, zato je, da vlagatelji poslal svoj denar tam, in ki so bili dejavni kapitala bi bilo, lahko prepričan o varnosti in stanje svoj kapital in dobiček, ki je kot že rečeno, v kratkem času lahko nazaj v svojo prosto razpolaganje.
Zakaj so aktivirane teh sredstev, od 15. junija 2009, bo vaše naložbe zadnjih 6 mesecih niso pa bile vrnjene v istem obdobju, da ti pošilja denar v Evropo?
- To je pravi: izjava, ki bi lahko dajo 6 mesecev ali kot posledica odločitve oblasti v ZDA, ker če začnemo vrniti ta denar zdaj, in se nato odloči za odklepanje oblasti, da se vrnejo denar vlagateljem, ki bi jih imele dvojno plačilo odstotek denarja, tisti, ki plačujejo prek aktivacije odstotek skupnih naložb in drugi, smo navedite skupno oblasti. Torej je treba čakati na končni rešitvi organi tudi upanje bo v nekaj tednih, kot je navedeno.
Ali moramo upoštevati, kar smo kot vlagatelji klic "Plan B" ne obstaja več?
- Pravi: Spominjam se, da je bil oblikovan, da je poskus nadomestiti denar, medtem ko ZDA blokada trajala in da te še naprej prizadevala hkrati pa končne odločitve organov, kot je bilo doslej s tistim, kar je bilo doseženo, da se omogoči. Toda na tej točki in s tem potrebne spremembe, če je proizvod, poslovne ali druge naložbe, ki nam bo od časa kdaj dobili, da imajo dovolj dobička, bi se jih uporablja za aktiviranje zaklenjena kapitala, ne pa, da začne ta proizvajati, da pa že začnejo z odvzemom naenkrat, ampak kot bi to in to je odvisno od oblasti določiti, saj ne vemo, pod kakšnimi pogoji bo dala svojo odločitev, niti kakšen odstotek, ki omogoča končno odkleniti. Kaj bi moralo biti jasno, o tem in jaz rečem, da je to izrecno Germain Cardona ne bo voditi en sam dolar od vlagateljev, kot jih določajo organi nazaj, vrnili na svoje lastnike in moja zaveza je, da so, in v mnenju organi bodo storiti vse, kar je potrebno za kritje vseh svojih vloženega denarja in večino dobičkov kaže, kot sem ti rekel, ti proaktivnega ali uradno objavljena 12. oktobra v stran. Ali zaupanje v tisto, kar počnemo, in to je najboljši čas za združeno, jaz razumem, da ste kot skupina prednostna naloga za povračilo denarja in verjemite mi, to je prednostna naloga za nas, kot tudi podjetja, pristopi prizadevanja v ta namen in če pa želite, da toži ali nekdo dal moje ime v vprašanje, ki to storijo, ampak najprej stvari prvo, bomo zahtevajo povračilo denarja.
Da bi plačila Evrope bodo zahtevali plačilo pomeni, kako bodo ti, če ne celo dosegla skupno napovedal nove kartice?
- Pravi: Kaj kartica ni bila lahka, in bolj ko bo konec prejeli, če se izvajajo kot nova. Danes družbam, ki želijo izraziti svoje plačilne kartice, ki so zamudo pošiljke in dostavo, je to lahko enostavno preverijo, vendar ne smemo jemati kot opravičilo, vendar govorimo o karticah napovedala od začetka leta, in ki je brez krivde vlagateljev niso mogli imeti, kaj morajo razumeti, je, da so te karte so zdaj že samostojno in tako nova, da je ta določba, ker je bila že kot uradni standardni čas je potekel za potrebne postopke, vendar učinkovito in kmalu so jih in bodo lahko uporabile za svoje upokojitve.
Vi v sporočilu za javnost pravi, da se pojavijo v nekaj tednih z odločitvijo ameriških oblasti, konkretno iz?
- Pravi: Kot je navedeno v sporočilu poslal nekaj dni nazaj, nam je dal nekaj dni do konca, da so odvetniki v skladu z nekaterimi zahtevami, ki bodo uporabni v procesu končne resolucije, je priporočljivo, da ni šel v podrobnosti o tem, kaj ste zdaj, ampak bo pa še posebej spodbijajo izjav domnevnega pranja denarja, ki, kot je navedeno v prejšnjem sporočilu, je eden od obstoječih pomanjkljivosti. V zvezi s tem smo optimistični, da bomo v redu in ne bo propadel v prizadevanju, da kažejo, da nobena stranka za to vrsto napake, ni znano, da morda bi lahko storila administrativnih napak, vendar nihče ne more reči, da je bil cilj podjetja za pranje denarja ali da je to naš namen je, da investitorjev. Do sredine meseca bo v skladu z zahtevami, in ocenjuje se, da bo sodnik nekaj časa, da oceni njihovo razumem, da običajno tokrat lahko sprejmejo naslednjih 30 dni ali več, vendar morate razumeti, da ta čas ni več pod našim nadzorom. Bodite prepričani, da, ko vemo, kaj se dogaja za komuniciranje.
Če običajni investitor ali v tem primeru nam v imenu skupine vprašal Ali obstaja možnost, da izgubite denar? ... Ali ste iskreno verjeli, da odgovor?
- To je pravi: Če oblasti podrobne ocene informacij, ni nobenega razloga, da izgubite denar, smo optimistični, da ne bo tako, ampak spet ponavljam, ne glede na odločitev, poiščite način za povrnitev vseh kapitalskih naložb investitorjev in vrne odraža veliko.
"Vlagatelji, ki so v breme svojih kartic bodo lahko, da bodo umik do 24. decembra?
- Pravi: To, kar si vsi želimo in upamo, da, če ni bilo mogoče do zdaj ni bilo, ker ni vpisana potrebno likvidnost, zaradi česar jaz ne upajo dati natančne datume, ampak če želim razumeti, da je dano vsa prizadevanja, zdaj je na tekočem z teh neporavnanih plačil obratnega kapitala.
Ali je predviden datum za začetek izplačila so Evropa, ker je 5% teh denarnih sredstev v bilanci FFX na voljo, vendar se ne more premakniti na PM?
- It says: Najprej naj nadaljuje z razbremeniti bremena dolgov, ki so v PM, ko končate čiščenje v najboljšem pomenu besede in pustiti vse za odličen zvok v PM, pa če začnemo plačati kaj v Evropi, upanja bo v kratkem času začeli za to, naša prednostna naloga zdaj je, da je likvidnost, potrebnih za poravnavo neporavnanih plačil.
Sporočilo je dejal, da so kapitalski tako aktivira dana na šest mesecev ali, dokler ne zapusti odločitev v ZDA, če se vrne bo plačal vse, kar je operativna Če se bo zgodilo, ali pa bodo tudi donosi 6 mesecev?
- Pravi, pomeni, da vrne se že pripravljajo in so poleg kapitala, kot sem rekel, bodo plačani z denarjem in se vrne neposredno pošiljajo v Evropo, ko začnete z likvidnosti sredstev imamo, kapitala, če so za 6 mesecev, že navedenih razlogov.

Ta pogovor je potekal danes zjutraj, in se opravičujemo, da doslej v noči objavi tega dokumenta, ampak kot smo rekli, da se delo na tem projektu, ki jih uporabljamo na voljo čas, ki ostaja v zvezi s prednostnega dolga.
Ostaja zgolj še reči, da je pred govoriti, je dejal, da smo stali pri oblikovanju pravnih za proaktivno skupino in vprašali o nerešenih zadev nadzora, za katere smo rekli, ne bi zamuda lahko posvetovanju z gospodarskimi družbami zagovornika in da je bil tekoč priti v stik z nami.
Kot je že poudaril, vsi ti ukrepi za razjasnitev naših izjav in drugih preko posrednika družba vlagatelja, da spremljavo ponudil del g. Germain Cardona Soler in podjetja EMG (FFX), ki smo jo ponudili investitorjem, pa ohraniti našo smernica za biti neodvisni in samostojni v naše odločitve, je naša smernica temelji na tem, da je v rezultatih dela v izterjavi kapitala od vlagateljev nas.

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Friends investors forumers and non forumers

Have you good night
As you know yesterday, December 8, 2009, there was a statement by the Directorate Evolution Market Group, and published on the official website of Finanzas Forex. If anyone has not seen that statement, we ask a favor and read it first so you can understand what follows.
Naturally, this statement generates a series of questions by investors, hence rather than rise to speculation that wears us out here in doubt, we as representatives of the group "proactive in FFX Solutions", we went directly to the source of the information that is Mr. Germain Cardona Soler, in order to clarify certain aspects of that statement, to clarify in advance that what I said here's what we talked to him and not subject to our interpretations, accommodation of the words , tilts in favor or against them, nor the language is based on a recording and transcribing of respect and that agreement is not record conversations with him. Express the facts as they are based to the summary of the notes taken:
COMMUNIQUE ON THE OCCASION OF
He says there have been some unanticipated changes that demand solutions for investors and facts, on the other hand, we must move more on the way to the regulation for those wishing to continue investing. Unfortunately have had some delays in receiving payments by way of some of the investments in Europe and you can not keep growing debt with investors. For those who invested capital in Europe or who have been active capital required to start repaying the money via PM to have it, either wishing to invest through Yacht Brokers regulated or want it removed permanently.
It emphasizes that all this change is not deliberately stop the latest press worthless or be an intention to be changing them the things that is precisely due to the change of variables to which they are subjected every day and it is these variables which have failed to give such an exact date for outstanding payments by card.
He says the interest of the company from the start was always going after the search for figures that are controlled and fully recorded can be verified both by investors as by any authority. At this time, with these variables that has been under the company needed drastic decisions, "take the bull by the horns" - he says, focusing particularly regulation. One such decision is not to continue further investment through EMG or FFX, you can not postpone again the continuity of the business under existing changing situations is going to prolong the wait and without concrete results, which is the least desired by the investors, we know that to achieve this objective, it first must clean up slope, and in this order can not continue working on many fronts, but take as much time, energy and resources on only two fronts:
a) To recover the funds held in U.S.
b) Provide an opportunity for these funds once they recover and even upon the return on existing investments in Europe, who do you want to continue investing through the regular figure, or in effect, provided the money at will
He says investors should take this as positive signs of concrete facts, because what people want is the money to do with as they wish, and the first step is to start with Europe which is what he is told and is available under the conditions explained in the statement.

Explain to queries raised
When is going to end up back then the money and returns that are outstanding in Europe?
- Says: I repeat, can not give exact dates with the variables that are happening that are not in our power to control, but it is estimated that by the end of February to have finished this process of return and if so, least has been reached to return at that time by 80% or more. It is important to note that during this process will not rent monies.
The statement speaks with investments in Europe that are illiquid assets, and that's going to have to have liquidity You mean in real estate investments as some suppose, and therefore should be sold?
- He says: This is not investment in real estate, are assets which as already explained, are investments covered under the light of the contract between the company and investors, by their nature are to be made liquid to repay the money. What is important is that investors know that the company has in Europe some liquid assets that are placed and which by the nature of their placement on the market can not be used to begin returning them. He has other assets that are at this moment are going to start making them liquid and is to be begin the process of devolution, there is said to be produced at a time which is not necessarily a earlier this month. It is expected that if the time to do it is the shortest. Another thing that should give comfort to investors is that the total of these assets fully cover capital and profits to date.
In the message delivered by you, there is talk that yields caused the end of 2008, as reflected in the website of the company, what they were reporting the companies with which you were working but they were unreal Is there a risk in Europe are having the same thing and that's why they do not pay?
- He says: In no time, which is in Europe is directly controlled, a situation that did not happen in the U.S. that we had to shelter the handling of other trading companies, legal and regulated there. What is in Europe is represented in the above-mentioned assets, operations and directly manage all media have already careful operating monies, so it is that investors sent their money there and who have been active capital, should be reassured about the safety and condition of their capital and profit, which as already said, in a short period of time may be back to his free disposal.
Why those funds have been activated since 15 June 2009, your investment will last 6 months and were not returned in the same period that those sending money to Europe?
- It says: The statement that could be placed 6 months or as the result of the decision by authorities in the U.S., because if we begin to repay this money now, and then decide to unlock the authorities to return money to investors; would incur a double payment of a percentage of the money, one that payable by way of activation of a percentage of total investment and another, we indicate the total authorities. So must wait for the final resolution of the authorities also hope will be within a few weeks as indicated.
Are we to consider what we as investors call "Plan B" no longer exists?
- Says: I remember it was designed it was an attempt to replace the money the U.S. while the blockade lasted and that these continue to work while giving the final decision of the authorities, as has been so far with what was achieved to enable . But at this point and with these required changes, if product business or other investments that we make from time ever getting to have enough profits, they would be used to activate locked capital but not to put this to produce, but that already begin to withdraw at once, but would like this and it depends on what the authorities determine, because we do not know under what conditions will give their decision, nor what percentage allowing the final unlock. What it should be clear about it and I say this emphatically that Germain Cardona is not going to keep a single dollar from investors, as determined by the authorities back, returned to their owners and my commitment is to be as and in the opinion of the authorities will do whatever is necessary to recover all their invested money and most of the gains reflected, as I told you those of proactive or as officially published on 12 October in the page. Have the confidence in what we do, and this is the best time to be united, I understand that you as a group priority is to recover the money and believe me this is a priority for us as well as enterprise, approaches efforts that purpose and if you then want to sue someone or put my name in question to do so, but first things first, we will recover the money.
To make the payments of Europe will require payment means How will they do if they have not even reached the total of the announced new cards?
- Says: What card has not been easy and more when the end will receive, so far are implemented as new. Today companies want to make their card payments are taking a delayed shipment and delivery, this can be easily verified, but should not be taken as an excuse but we're talking about cards announced since the beginning of the year, and who through no fault of investors have not been able to have, what they should understand is that these cards are now already own and so new, that is that since the provision was already as official standard time has elapsed for the necessary procedures but effectively and will soon have them and they will be able to use for their retirements.
You in the press release says we are to occur within weeks of a decision by the American authorities do concretely referred to?
- He says: As said in the message sent some days ago, gave us a few days to finish that lawyers comply with some requirements that will be useful in the process of final resolution, it is not advisable to go into detail on what you are at present, but will look especially rebut the statements of alleged money laundering that as stated in the previous message is one of the existing drawbacks. In this regard, we are optimistic that we will be fine and not fail in the effort to show that no party to this type of fault, is not unknown that perhaps could have committed administrative errors, but no one can say that the company's goal was to launder money or that this was our intention as that of investors. By mid-month will comply with the requirements and it is estimated that the Judge will take time to evaluate them I understand that normally this time next can take 30 days or more, but you must understand that this time is no longer under our control. Be assured that when we know something is going to communicate.
If a normal investor or in this case us on behalf of a group asked Is it possible to lose money? ... Do you sincerely believe that answer?
- It says: If the authorities detailed assessment information, there is no reason to lose any money, we are optimistic that it will not be so, but again I repeat, whatever the decision, seek a way to recover all capital investors investment and returns much reflected.
"Investors who have charged their cards will be able to make their withdrawals by 24 December?
- Says: That's what we all want and hope so, if it was not possible until now has been because it has not entered the required liquidity, which is why I do not dare to give exact dates, but if I want to understand placed that all efforts now is to stay abreast of these outstanding payments of operating capital.
Is there a projected date to start making payments as Europe, because there is a 5% of these monies in FFX available balance but can not move to PM?
- It says: First let's proceed to relieve the burden of arrears that are in PM, when you finish cleaning in the best sense of the word and let all outstanding sound in PM, then if we start to pay what in Europe; hope will be in short time begin to do so, our priority now is to have the liquidity needed to settle outstanding payments.
The communiqué said that the capital thus activated are placed on six months or until it leaves the decision in the U.S. if returns are going to pay everything that is operational If going to happen or they will also returns 6 months ?
- He says, means that returns are already produced and are in addition to capital, as I said, they will be paid with the money and returns shipped directly to Europe, once you start having liquidity of the assets we have, the capital if they are 6 months for the reasons already stated.

This talk was held this morning and we apologize that so far in the night publish this document, but as we have said, to work on this project we use the available time that remains with respect to senior debt.
It only remains to say that before the talk, he said that we stood in the shaping of legal for the proactive group and asked about the unfinished business of oversight, to which we said would not delay make consultation with corporate counsel and that he was going to get in touch with us.
As already stressed, all these actions to clarify our statements and other through the intermediary company-investor, make accompaniment offered the part of Mr. Germain Cardona Soler and enterprise EMG (FFX) that we have offered to investors, however, maintain our guideline to be independent and autonomous in our decisions, our guideline is based on that in this work results in the recovery of capital from investors us.

Atte,

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Have you good night

As you know yesterday, December 8, 2009, there was a statement by the Directorate Evolution Market Group, and published on the official website of Finanzas Forex. If anyone has not seen that statement, we ask a favor and read it first so you can understand what follows in the attachment.

Naturally, this statement generates a series of questions by investors, hence rather than rise to speculation that wears us out here in doubt, we as representatives of the group "proactive in FFX Solutions", we went directly to the source of the information that is Mr. Germain Cardona Soler, in order to clarify certain aspects of that statement, to clarify in advance that what I said here's what we talked to him and not subject to our interpretations, accommodation of the words , tilts in favor or against them, nor the language is based on a recording and transcribing of respect and that agreement is not record conversations with him. Express the facts as they are based to the summary of the notes taken.

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[quote][size=13]Friends investors forumers and non forumers

As you know yesterday, December 8, 2009, there was a statement by the Directorate Evolution Market Group, and published on the official website of Finanzas Forex. If anyone has not seen that statement, we ask a favor and read it first so you can understand what follows.

Naturally, this statement generates a series of questions by investors, hence rather than rise to speculation that wears us out here in doubt, we as representatives of the group "proactive in FFX Solutions", we went directly to the source of the information that is Mr. Germain Cardona Soler, in order to clarify certain aspects of that statement, to clarify in advance that what I said here's what we talked to him and not subject to our interpretations, accommodation of the words , tilts in favor or against them, nor the language is based on a recording and transcribing of respect and that agreement is not record conversations with him. Express the facts as they are based to the summary of the notes taken:

COMMUNIQUE

He says:
There have been some unanticipated changes that demand solutions for investors and facts, on the other hand, we must move more on the way to the regulation for those wishing to continue investing. Unfortunately have had some delays in receiving payments by way of some of the investments in Europe and you can not keep growing debt with investors. For those who invested capital in Europe or who have been active capital required to start repaying the money via PM to have it, either wishing to invest through Yacht Brokers regulated or want it removed permanently.

It emphasizes that all this change is not deliberately stop the latest press worthless or be an intention to be changing them the things that is precisely due to the change of variables to which they are subjected every day and it is these variables which have failed to give such an exact date for outstanding payments by card.

He says:
The interest of the company from the start was always going after the search for figures that are controlled and fully recorded can be verified both by investors as by any authority. At this time, with these variables that has been under the company needed drastic decisions, "take the bull by the horns" - he says, focusing particularly regulation. One such decision is not to continue further investment through EMG or FFX, you can not postpone again the continuity of the business under existing changing situations is going to prolong the wait and without concrete results, which is the least desired by the investors, we know that to achieve this objective, it first must clean up slope, and in this order can not continue working on many fronts, but take as much time, energy and resources on only two fronts:

[b]Lost funds held in U.S. [/b]

Provide the opportunity for these funds once they recover and even upon the return on existing investments in Europe, who do you want to continue investing through the regular figure, or in effect, provided the money at will
He says investors should take this as positive signs of concrete facts, because what people want is the money to do with as they wish, and the first step is to start with Europe which is what he is told and is available under the conditions explained in the statement.
Explain to queries raised

When is going to end up back then the money and returns that are outstanding in Europe?

He says:
Again, you can not give exact dates with the variables that are happening that are not in our power to control, but it is estimated that by the end of February to have finished this process of return and if so, what unless a return has been reached at that time by 80% or more. It is important to note that during this process will not rent monies.
The statement speaks with investments in Europe that are illiquid assets, and that's going to have to have liquidity You mean in real estate investments as some suppose, and therefore should be sold?

These are not investments in real estate, are assets which as already explained, are investments covered under the light of the contract between the company and investors, by their nature are to be made liquid to repay the money. What is important is that investors know that the company has in Europe some liquid assets that are placed and which by the nature of their placement on the market can not be used to begin returning them. He has other assets that are at this moment are going to start making them liquid and is to be begin the process of devolution, there is said to be produced at a time which is not necessarily a earlier this month. It is expected that if the time to do it is the shortest. Another thing that should give comfort to investors is that the total of these assets fully cover capital and profits to date.
In the message delivered by you, there is talk that yields caused the end of 2008, as reflected in the website of the company, what they were reporting the companies with which you were working but they were unreal Is there a risk in Europe are having the same thing and that's why they do not pay?

He says:
In no time, which is in Europe is directly controlled, a situation that did not happen in the U.S. that we had to shelter the handling of other trading companies, legal and regulated there. What is in Europe is represented in the above-mentioned assets, operations and directly manage all media have already careful operating monies, so it is that investors sent their money there and who have been active capital, should be reassured about the safety and condition of their capital and profit, which as already said, in a short period of time may be back to his free disposal.
Why those funds have been activated since 15 June 2009, your investment will last 6 months and were not returned in the same period that those sending money to Europe?

He says:
The statement that could be placed 6 months or as the result of the decision by authorities in the U.S., because if we begin to repay this money now, and after the authorities decided to release the money to repay investors, would incurring double payment of a percentage of the money, one that payable by way of activation of a percentage of total investment and another, we indicate the total authorities. So must wait for the final resolution of the authorities also hope will be within a few weeks as indicated.
Are we to consider what we as investors call "Plan B" no longer exists?

He says:
I remember it was designed it was an attempt to replace the money the U.S. while the blockade lasted and that these continue to work while giving the final decision of the authorities, as has been so far with what was achieved to activate. But at this point and with these required changes, if product business or other investments that we make from time ever getting to have enough profits, they would be used to activate locked capital but not to put this to produce, but that already begin to withdraw at once, but would like this and it depends on what the authorities determine, because we do not know under what conditions will give their decision, nor what percentage allowing the final unlock. What it should be clear about it and I say this emphatically that Germain Cardona is not going to keep a single dollar from investors, as determined by the authorities back, returned to their owners and my commitment is to be as and in the opinion of the authorities will do whatever is necessary to recover all their invested money and most of the gains reflected, as I told you those of proactive or as officially published on 12 October in the page. Have the confidence in what we do, and this is the best time to be united, I understand that you as a group priority is to recover the money and believe me this is a priority for us as well as enterprise, approaches efforts that purpose and if you then want to sue someone or put my name in question to do so, but first things first, we will recover the money.
To make the payments of Europe will require payment means How will they do if they have not even reached the total of the announced new cards?

He says:
The card has not been easy and more when the end will receive, so far are implemented as new. Today companies want to make their card payments are taking a delayed shipment and delivery, this can be easily verified, but should not be taken as an excuse but we're talking about cards announced since the beginning of the year, and who through no fault of investors have not been able to have, what they should understand is that these cards are now already own and so new, that is that since the provision was already as official standard time has elapsed for the necessary procedures but effectively and will soon have them and they will be able to use for their retirements.
You in the press release says we are to occur within weeks of a decision by the American authorities do concretely referred to?

He says:
As said in the message sent some days ago, gave us a few days to finish that lawyers comply with some requirements that will be useful in the process of final resolution, it is not advisable to go into detail on what you are going to present, however, to search for particular rebut the statements of alleged money laundering that as stated in the previous message is one of the existing drawbacks. In this regard, we are optimistic that we will be fine and not fail in the effort to show that no party to this type of fault, is not unknown that perhaps could have committed administrative errors, but no one can say that the company's goal was to launder money or that this was our intention as that of investors. By mid-month will comply with the requirements and it is estimated that the Judge will take time to evaluate them I understand that normally this time next can take 30 days or more, but you must understand that this time is no longer under our control. Be assured that when we know something is going to communicate.
If a normal investor or in this case us on behalf of a group asked Is it possible to lose money? ... Do you sincerely believe that answer?

He says:
If the authorities detailed assessment information, there is no reason to lose any money, we are optimistic that it will not be so, but again I repeat, whatever the decision, seek a way to recover all capital investors investment and returns much reflected.
"Investors who have charged their cards will be able to make their withdrawals by 24 December?

He says:
It's what we all want and hope so, if it was not possible until now has been because it has not entered the required liquidity, which is why I do not dare to give exact dates, but if I want to understand that Every effort is placed at this time to stay abreast of these outstanding payments of operating capital.
Is there a projected date to start making payments as Europe, because there is a 5% of these monies in FFX available balance but can not move to PM?

He says:
First let's proceed to relieve the burden of arrears that are in PM, when you finish cleaning in the best sense of the word and let all outstanding sound in PM, then if we start paying what Europe and we hope that is in short time begin to do so, our priority now is to have the liquidity needed to settle outstanding payments.
The communiqué said that the capital thus activated are placed on six months or until it leaves the decision in the U.S. if returns are going to pay everything that is operational If going to happen or they will also returns 6 months ?

He says:
It is understood that returns are already produced and are in addition to capital, as I said, they will be paid with the money and returns shipped directly to Europe, once you start having liquidity of the assets we have, the capital if they are 6 months for the reasons already stated.

This talk was held this morning and we apologize that so far in the night publish this document, but as we have said, to work on this project we use the available time that remains with respect to senior debt.

It only remains to say that before the talk, he said that we stood in the shaping of legal for the proactive group and asked about the unfinished business of oversight, to which we said would not delay make consultation with corporate counsel and that he was going to get in touch with us.

As already stressed, all these actions to clarify our statements and other through the intermediary company-investor, make accompaniment offered the part of Mr. Germain Cardona Soler and enterprise EMG (FFX) that we have offered to investors, however, maintain our guideline to be independent and autonomous in our decisions, our guideline is based on that in this work results in the recovery of capital from investors us.

Sincerly,

FFX proactive SOLUTIONS

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Remember · Objavljeno: 10 Dec 2009 17:04 Naslov sporočila:

[b]Po moje si najbolj želi da bi vsi skupaj pozabili na FFX in šli z PFPLACE dalje.
Jp samo vrati meni pare, in gremo naprej z pfplace.[/b]

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Mi Blog
Escrito por German , sábado, 07 de noviembre de 2009 , 62

Hola a todos,

Estamos en el nacimiento y primeros pasos de un gran negocio, un negocio que no solo será grande por su concepto: red social y diario digital en varios idiomas, sino por el tipo de estaregias comerciales que se harán con nuestros anunciantes que permitirán grandes beneficios, no solo para ellos sino tambien para nuestros usuarios.

pfplace va a marcar un nuevo concepto de red social, un nuevo concepto de negocio en la red, un nuevo concepto de publicidad en medios digitales.

Los servicios y productos que usamos habitualmente los compraremos desde nuestros anunciantes, desde nuestros banners, desde nuestras tiendas online. Tendremos los servicios y productos que nuestros usuarios necesiten. Tendremos varios anunciantes que trabajarán exclusivamente para nosotros, productos con nuestra marca, productos exclusivos de pfplace.

Eventos online y presenciales mensualmente en decenas de países. Convenciones nacionales e internacionales, debates sobre temas de actualidad. charlas con los personajes del momento.

Tendremos la red social, el diario digital y el negocio en la red que todos quieren.

Esto no ha hecho más que empezar.

Éxito,

Germán

branik · Objavljeno: 10 Dec 2009 17:07 Naslov sporočila:

My Blog
Written by German, Saturday 07 of November 2009, 62

Hello everyone,

We are in the birth and first steps of a great business, a business that not only is great in concept: social network and digital daily in several languages, but by the type of commercial estaregias will allow our advertisers great benefits not only for themselves but also for our users.

pfplace will mark a new social networking concept, a new business concept in the network, a new concept of advertising in digital media.

The services and products we use routinely buy from our advertisers, since our banners, from our online stores. We will have the services and products that our users need. We will have several advertisers who will work exclusively for us, with our brand products, exclusive products of pfplace.

Online and face-monthly events in dozens of countries. National and international conventions, debates on current issues. Talks with the characters of the moment.

We will have social network, the digital newspaper business and the network that everyone wants.

This has only just begun.

Success,

Germain

Marc · Objavljeno: 10 Dec 2009 18:38 Naslov sporočila:

On je kot Sojic.Imam ja pare Dzole,ali nemam pare Dzole.

sebseb · Objavljeno: 11 Dec 2009 08:48 Naslov sporočila:

[quote="Marc"]On je kot Sojic.Imam ja pare Dzole,ali nemam pare Dzole.[/quote]

pantiču, di ti je torba sa dolarima:)

periegetes · Objavljeno: 11 Dec 2009 12:08 Naslov sporočila:

Aktivni član Proactiva in forumov Sebastian Medina Vargas je podal na forumu SoloAmigosdeFFX svojo dodatno obrazložitev glede odgovora Cardone...

[quote="Sebastian Medina Vargas"]
[size=13]They asked me to please explain what I had understood about the repayment of money that is going to happen between December and February-2008-2010 compared to those with working capital in Europe:

In this regard what I understood in the midst of the talk with Don Germain was:

The working capital is in Europe that belongs to two types of investors; The first are: Those who sent money directly to Europe and who joined the company this year from the month of March, or recapitalized through product balance transfers of returns from money sent directly to Europe.

The latter are: Who will be activated a percentage of their original investment since June 15 and are only part of investors who have the money blocked in the U.S., because if I recall were actually just turn up those registered since August or July 2008.

Well, the first are the ones who are going to start to return money capital / returns and is expected to be finished this back in late February of 2010, as liquid assets are doing, so in the original statement said that on different dates, not necessarily at the beginning of each month and that perhaps what I say, is in parts, I say that based on available balance and placed in 5% of these funds. As I myself heard Mr. Herman, if not enough to cover everything on that date, if it is expected that at least this return is covered by at least 80% or more, then, what means that the remaining end up back in days. What I also understand they are going to do everything possible to make it in the shortest possible time, it all depends on the speed and make the money liquid.

Regarding the latter, they will not enter this process and their active money payments are invested 6 months or until I know the determination of the authorities, making accounts (not because Don Germain may have said) should be in the second fortnight of January, but that if it depends on the authorities, and here we must consider the subject of these holidays, not as in USA, because here in Colombia for example, judges go to the famous collective vacations and one to see them again I think the 15 January (if I'm wrong, please correct me). I say this because I think it is unwise to be one to reckon with fingers or the calendar and give us an imaginary time that apparently did not occur and then we began to despair and wonder why the breach. Nor do I say this because my intention is to promote the company or the same germ, because my previous work in state service, if after that everything happens for a failure, the time is the judge handles it, though it also has its limits, hopefully in this case the judge used a fraction of the time and that the decision is in favor.

I know there is also confusion about it that the monies activated from the 15 June, may be 6 months:

In this regard I explain graphically:

The investor Pepito who joined in December 2008, he set off $ 10,000 of 100,000 that is blocked in the USA. Suppose the company decides to return in January 2010 these 10,000, and that parallel the decision of the authorities is to return the money but not the company directly to investors or the company but under control of an audit company, which is then Pepito the list of beneficiaries of investors who have their money in the U.S. "may" come to receive $ 100,000 + $ 10,000 that a warrant had already received, are then $ 110,000; that is, over 10,000 of these would have been double-time payments, a by the authorities within the sum total of what I had and the other by the concept of the company enabled. This is what the company wants to avoid and so in his statement said to be awaiting the decision of the authorities or 6 months, this time they imagine what large to know what to expect and have time to maneuver to avoid pressure investors. Now, I understand, if the authorities resolved entirely in favor of the company and us investors, that money for capital assets and that physically exists in Europe, would be to cover missing returns missing or otherwise give effect to the same process.

One aspect that whether to complement, is that the returns achieved so far of these "capital assets" if they enter into the repayment process will begin, which is logical because they are not part of capital investment, but something already cattle.

I hope the explanation they have served those who had doubts. [/size]
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garac · Objavljeno: 15 Dec 2009 18:02 Naslov sporočila:

dones nej bi se kao končal 45 dnevni moratorij ki ga je cardona zaprosil pri ameriških tožilcih

REYA · Vajenec Pridružen/-a: 29.11. 2009, 16:42 Prispevkov: 90

[quote="garac"]dones nej bi se kao končal 45 dnevni moratorij ki ga je cardona zaprosil pri ameriških tožilcih[/quote]

lep pozdrav,( po posvetu s svojim odvetnikom )ker imam dovolj čakanja in kupovanja časa iz strani ffx in cardone sem se po dolgem raziskovanju vsega skupaj odločila za tožbo.Žal imam vloženo kar dosti tako,da se ne mislim od njega poslovit kar čez noč in na vse skupaj pozabiti kot bi si to nekdo najraje želel.Vsi ,ki bi se mi radi pridružili me lahko kontaktirate na
mail reya.sorano@gmail.com
lahko vam pošljem tudi par linkov ,ki so zelo zanimivi in mi dali povod za nadaljno ukrepanje

branik · Objavljeno: 15 Dec 2009 20:34 Naslov sporočila:

[quote="REYA"][quote="garac"]dones nej bi se kao končal 45 dnevni moratorij ki ga je cardona zaprosil pri ameriških tožilcih[/quote]

lep pozdrav,( po posvetu s svojim odvetnikom )ker imam dovolj čakanja in kupovanja časa iz strani ffx in cardone sem se po dolgem raziskovanju vsega skupaj odločila za tožbo.Žal imam vloženo kar dosti tako,da se ne mislim od njega poslovit kar čez noč in na vse skupaj pozabiti kot bi si to nekdo najraje želel.Vsi ,ki bi se mi radi pridružili me lahko kontaktirate na
mail reya.sorano@gmail.com
lahko vam pošljem tudi par linkov ,ki so zelo zanimivi in mi dali povod za nadaljno ukrepanje[/quote]

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