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TootsyBootsy · Objavljeno: 13 Jan 2010 16:56 Naslov sporočila:

[quote="Marc"]Timor pusti tozbo.Denar,ki bi ga brez veze porabil za tozbo rajsi porabi v kaksnih toplicah[/quote]
Če bi se forumaši, ki bi bili pripravljeni vložit € v skupno tožbo, lahko za kakšen termin v živo nekje v SLO dogovorili, ne bi bilo slabo...
Sicer pa obstaja SLO del PROACTIVOS POR SOLUCIONES EN FFX - morda kaj napišejo.
In še en morda - je čas za novo in eno zadnjih poglavij tega, že dolgo črno obarvanega foruma-tožba proti ffx.
Thumbs up adminu - ta forum je dejansko že nekaj časa črno obarvan-kako primerno...

branik · Objavljeno: 13 Jan 2010 20:09 Naslov sporočila:

Kot obljubljeno smo odprli novo temo TOZBA PROTI EMG (FINANZAS FOREX)
vsi zainteresirani si lahko ogledate temo na: http://forex.mojforum.si/forex-forum-54.html

klementina · Začetnik Pridružen/-a: 06.01. 2009, 19:10 Prispevkov: 33

[quote="branik"]Kot obljubljeno smo odprli novo temo TOZBA PROTI EMG (FINANZAS FOREX)
vsi zainteresirani si lahko ogledate temo na: http://forex.mojforum.si/forex-forum-54.html[/quote]

ok

branik · Objavljeno: 14 Jan 2010 17:48 Naslov sporočila:

http://www.fi.ee/?id=3222

lena.b · Vajenec Pridružen/-a: 25.06. 2009, 07:24 Prispevkov: 56

[quote="branik"]http://www.fi.ee/?id=3222[/quote]
Branik in kaj bi rad s tem povedal?
Res me zanima!?
Nws zanima¨!?

branik · Objavljeno: 14 Jan 2010 18:05 Naslov sporočila:

[quote="lena.b"][quote="branik"]http://www.fi.ee/?id=3222[/quote]
Branik in kaj bi rad s tem povedal?
Res me zanima!?
Nws zanima¨!?[/quote]

Vse je napisano pozorno preberi...

bassdrum · Objavljeno: 14 Jan 2010 19:08 Naslov sporočila:

[quote="branik"][quote="lena.b"][quote="branik"]http://www.fi.ee/?id=3222[/quote]
Branik in kaj bi rad s tem povedal?
Res me zanima!?
Nws zanima¨!?[/quote]

Vse je napisano pozorno preberi...[/quote]

To je staro opozorilo španskega finančnega inšpektorata, in sicer, da nimajo dovoljenja za trženje v Španiji.
Old stuff, ki tudi pokaže, koliko denarja, do 2 mio dnevno, se je nateklo noter.

timor · Vajenec Pridružen/-a: 21.12. 2008, 07:38 Prispevkov: 73

Večji investitorji so se že začeli zbirat, da vložijo tožbo proti Cardoni in velikim sponzorjem.

REYA · Vajenec Pridružen/-a: 29.11. 2009, 16:42 Prispevkov: 90

[quote="branik"]http://www.fi.ee/?id=3222[/quote]

a mogoče kdo ve, kaj je s tole firmo http://astanaenterprice.com ,nastala naj bi nekje vzporedno z pacifikom-investitorji ffx pa naj bi bili celo lastniki te firme(a je kaj na tem ali ne -kdo ve?)

zajec · Vajenec Pridružen/-a: 05.05. 2009, 20:40 Prispevkov: 57

[quote="timor"]Večji investitorji so se že začeli zbirat, da vložijo tožbo proti Cardoni in velikim sponzorjem.[/quote]

Timor, od kje imaš ta podatek, oziroma ali obtoja kakšen kontakt??

timor · Vajenec Pridružen/-a: 21.12. 2008, 07:38 Prispevkov: 73

Dobil sem mail in povabilo, da se jim pridružim. tako mislim, da so tožbe samo še vprašanje časa. Gre pa za večje investitorje. Proaktiva je po moje bila ustanovljena zato, da razdelijo investitorje na dva dela in jih tako oslabijo. Vsi investitorji bi se morali združiti in podati skupno mednarodno tožbo, saj bi nas tako to stalo dosti manj, oziroma malo, če računamo na osebo. Še enkrat pa trdim, da upravičeno lahko razmišljamo že o tožbi, saj nam Cardona ni posredoval verodostojne dokaze o blokadi v ZDA. Mislim, da bi morali še enkrat posredovati in zahtevati samo dokaz in nobenih drugih vprašanj postavljati. Kaj mislite, da on tega ne ve, da je to za nas bistvenega pomena ? Seveda ve, zakaj torej tega ne stori. Že je bilo napisano, da lahko druge podatke o podjetjih oziroma posameznikih, ki so na dokumentu omenjeni enostavno briše. Pokazati nam morajo le vsebino dokumenta in če to drći kar trdijo, da je ves denar blokiran, potem se nimajo kaj bati, da bi to pokazali. Če torej tega ne storijo, sledi tožba. Tako bi morali nastopiti, saj nam v primeru, da nam kljub temu ne posredujejo dokumenta, nebi mogel ničesar očitati glede tožbe. Treba jim podati žogo, da naredijo zadnjo potezo, ki bo lako pomenila njihovo končno odgovornost za eventelno tožbo.
To je moj predlog. Prosim, da se vključite v debato o tem vprašanju. Če sami ne bomo ničesar storili in le čakali, nebo za nas nihče drug naredil ničesar.

Thalion · Objavljeno: 16 Jan 2010 21:06 Naslov sporočila:

[quote="REYA"][quote="branik"]http://www.fi.ee/?id=3222[/quote]

a mogoče kdo ve, kaj je s tole firmo http://astanaenterprice.com ,nastala naj bi nekje vzporedno z pacifikom-investitorji ffx pa naj bi bili celo lastniki te firme(a je kaj na tem ali ne -kdo ve?)[/quote]

To je firma na katero naj bi se prenesla mreža ffx. Zamišljeno je bili, da bi v ffx bile samo investicije v astanaenterprizes pa mreža promotorjev. Zadeva bi morala startati v oktobru predlani, pa zaradi znanih dogodkov nikili ni zaživela. Podobno kot firma v Italiji. Stara reč.

periegetes · Objavljeno: 17 Jan 2010 12:27 Naslov sporočila:

[quote="timor"]Dobil sem mail in povabilo, da se jim pridružim. tako mislim, da so tožbe samo še vprašanje časa. Gre pa za večje investitorje. [color=brown][b][u]Proaktiva je po moje bila ustanovljena zato, da razdelijo investitorje na dva dela in jih tako oslabijo[/u].[/b][/color] Vsi investitorji bi se morali združiti in podati skupno mednarodno tožbo, saj bi nas tako to stalo dosti manj, oziroma malo, če računamo na osebo. Še enkrat pa trdim, da upravičeno lahko razmišljamo že o tožbi, saj nam Cardona ni posredoval verodostojne dokaze o blokadi v ZDA. Mislim, da bi morali še enkrat posredovati in zahtevati samo dokaz in nobenih drugih vprašanj postavljati. Kaj mislite, da on tega ne ve, da je to za nas bistvenega pomena ? Seveda ve, zakaj torej tega ne stori. Že je bilo napisano, da lahko druge podatke o podjetjih oziroma posameznikih, ki so na dokumentu omenjeni enostavno briše. Pokazati nam morajo le vsebino dokumenta in če to drći kar trdijo, da je ves denar blokiran, potem se nimajo kaj bati, da bi to pokazali. Če torej tega ne storijo, sledi tožba. Tako bi morali nastopiti, saj nam v primeru, da nam kljub temu ne posredujejo dokumenta, nebi mogel ničesar očitati glede tožbe. Treba jim podati žogo, da naredijo zadnjo potezo, ki bo lako pomenila njihovo končno odgovornost za eventelno tožbo.
To je moj predlog. Prosim, da se vključite v debato o tem vprašanju. Če sami ne bomo ničesar storili in le čakali, nebo za nas nihče drug naredil ničesar.[/quote]

[size=14]Mislim, da se glede skupine Proactivos motiš!
Ustanovljena je bila s poštenim namenom, sem skoraj prepričan. Ne vidim razloga, da bi bilo drugače. Res pa je, da so jo ustanovili ljudje, ki so (in verjetno še) neomajno zaupali v FFX. Očitno je še nekaj ljudi, ki ne zaupajo več tej skupini. Po svoje je razumljivo, ker se razen komunikacije, nikjer na področju FFX nič ne premakne. Mislim, pa da se Proaktivni trudijo in delajo voluntersko, kar pač je v njihovi moči. Jaz jim zaupam. Seveda pa ima lahko vsak svoje mnenje... Spodaj je njihovo najnovejše sporočilo za javnost ...[/size]

[quote="proactivosporsolucionesenffx"][size=14]Bogotá, January 16, 2010

Friends investors

We inform you that recently a couple of days ago officially restart activities with all the organizers of the group and found highly active in the forums asking for statements by us, some do so trusting and respectful because they believe in our intentions, and dare prejudicial to do so by referring to comments that do not cease to be bold, because they see in conclusion that our performance is part of the problem and even suggest we are benefiting the company and not to investors, however, it is ironic but not decisive for us that many of these people and especially those who do this kind of innuendo, or even have joined the group

In this regard it is necessary to make some clarifications for the good of our actions follow:

1. The first and foremost is that we clarify the cause of all this, and that our management has been done until now and will remain a non-profit.

2. The organizers of the group are people like you in the same degree affected by all this trouble, and though some might go to holiday with their families, not because they have large economic facilities, is the opportunity to have a family here and there that lets go visit and relax way. But the total of the group reached the domino effect we all are experiencing this problem and its consequences such as seizures, problems with a spouse who has reached some divorce, no money for school fees, housing change more economic strata and even go to lay respone with relatives, as has happened to some. In short, these and more issues that many of you are living, makes it necessary to have to seek other means of cash income and therefore to properly allocate the time between the responsibilities involved in carrying a home and to work selflessly with the free time is the cause that we as a group. In other words, you can not devote 100% of the time just to be on this project and you need to understand it.

3. It is precisely the needs and problems experienced referenced and shared with you, follow that make the firm intention of continuing the original plans which was organized by the group and are summarized in the form of membership that many have processed. In any case we close our eyes and think as many already do, that our money was lost on the contrary will do whatever is necessary to retrieve it.

4. Our participation in the forums is only informative, is not deliberative or for discussions, not away at the little time we have to answer baseless innuendo.

5. Unable to regain communication with the company, so we'll report what we know as it is getting the information. We can not fall into the error made in the forums to publish assumptions, personal comments, things that were heard to third parties, or make up information just to keep expectations and illusions that have already caused much pain and dissatisfaction in recent months by fault of those who created such expectations. The published notice must be valid and therefore supported.

6. We practice diplomacy and of which many complain is our line of action, but that should not be confused why we are "alcaguetiando" or "protecting" the directors of the company or herself. We are convinced that any action should be smart, not who ends up committing more the interests of all investors, the steps may be slow but assured. Anyway, if someone does not like our lines of action, is free to comment on them but hopefully with respect, as he is free to find or create another space or group where you can apply or follow the lines of action that he deems best .

7. We guarantee that we are not coerced or the company or third people.The accompany the company in everything that concerns our money back, will not mean silent affairs we do not like or cover them with meaningless arguments that seek to divert attention to this problem.

8. For those who seek to position us as a lawsuit against Mr. Germain Cardona Soler because they want to see in prison, just want to say that this is not the right way and therefore we will not take. If by tomorrow judicial action is required, it is to be aimed directly to recover the money that is what we all want, which is the main objective of the group.

Finally, we seek to share with you how to make contact with Mr. Germain Cardona Soler to clarify comments and questions that deserve the statement of 12 January and mail that we sent on January 5, doubts and questions that have to Like all and which must be promptly resolved. When this happens you informed promptly.

FFX proactive SOLUTIONS
Organizing Committee[/size][/quote]

mirosss1 · Objavljeno: 17 Jan 2010 12:52 Naslov sporočila:

[quote="periegetes"][quote="timor"]Dobil sem mail in povabilo, da se jim pridružim. tako mislim, da so tožbe samo še vprašanje časa. Gre pa za večje investitorje. [color=brown][b][u]Proaktiva je po moje bila ustanovljena zato, da razdelijo investitorje na dva dela in jih tako oslabijo[/u].[/b][/color] Vsi investitorji bi se morali združiti in podati skupno mednarodno tožbo, saj bi nas tako to stalo dosti manj, oziroma malo, če računamo na osebo. Še enkrat pa trdim, da upravičeno lahko razmišljamo že o tožbi, saj nam Cardona ni posredoval verodostojne dokaze o blokadi v ZDA. Mislim, da bi morali še enkrat posredovati in zahtevati samo dokaz in nobenih drugih vprašanj postavljati. Kaj mislite, da on tega ne ve, da je to za nas bistvenega pomena ? Seveda ve, zakaj torej tega ne stori. Že je bilo napisano, da lahko druge podatke o podjetjih oziroma posameznikih, ki so na dokumentu omenjeni enostavno briše. Pokazati nam morajo le vsebino dokumenta in če to drći kar trdijo, da je ves denar blokiran, potem se nimajo kaj bati, da bi to pokazali. Če torej tega ne storijo, sledi tožba. Tako bi morali nastopiti, saj nam v primeru, da nam kljub temu ne posredujejo dokumenta, nebi mogel ničesar očitati glede tožbe. Treba jim podati žogo, da naredijo zadnjo potezo, ki bo lako pomenila njihovo končno odgovornost za eventelno tožbo.
To je moj predlog. Prosim, da se vključite v debato o tem vprašanju. Če sami ne bomo ničesar storili in le čakali, nebo za nas nihče drug naredil ničesar.[/quote]

[size=14]Mislim, da se glede skupine Proactivos motiš!
Ustanovljena je bila s poštenim namenom, sem skoraj prepričan. Ne vidim razloga, da bi bilo drugače. Res pa je, da so jo ustanovili ljudje, ki so (in verjetno še) neomajno zaupali v FFX. Očitno je še nekaj ljudi, ki ne zaupajo več tej skupini. Po svoje je razumljivo, ker se razen komunikacije, nikjer na področju FFX nič ne premakne. Mislim, pa da se Proaktivni trudijo in delajo voluntersko, kar pač je v njihovi moči. Jaz jim zaupam. Seveda pa ima lahko vsak svoje mnenje... Spodaj je njihovo najnovejše sporočilo za javnost ...[/size]

[quote="proactivosporsolucionesenffx"][size=14]Bogotá, January 16, 2010

Friends investors

We inform you that recently a couple of days ago officially restart activities with all the organizers of the group and found highly active in the forums asking for statements by us, some do so trusting and respectful because they believe in our intentions, and dare prejudicial to do so by referring to comments that do not cease to be bold, because they see in conclusion that our performance is part of the problem and even suggest we are benefiting the company and not to investors, however, it is ironic but not decisive for us that many of these people and especially those who do this kind of innuendo, or even have joined the group

In this regard it is necessary to make some clarifications for the good of our actions follow:

1. The first and foremost is that we clarify the cause of all this, and that our management has been done until now and will remain a non-profit.

2. The organizers of the group are people like you in the same degree affected by all this trouble, and though some might go to holiday with their families, not because they have large economic facilities, is the opportunity to have a family here and there that lets go visit and relax way. But the total of the group reached the domino effect we all are experiencing this problem and its consequences such as seizures, problems with a spouse who has reached some divorce, no money for school fees, housing change more economic strata and even go to lay respone with relatives, as has happened to some. In short, these and more issues that many of you are living, makes it necessary to have to seek other means of cash income and therefore to properly allocate the time between the responsibilities involved in carrying a home and to work selflessly with the free time is the cause that we as a group. In other words, you can not devote 100% of the time just to be on this project and you need to understand it.

3. It is precisely the needs and problems experienced referenced and shared with you, follow that make the firm intention of continuing the original plans which was organized by the group and are summarized in the form of membership that many have processed. In any case we close our eyes and think as many already do, that our money was lost on the contrary will do whatever is necessary to retrieve it.

4. Our participation in the forums is only informative, is not deliberative or for discussions, not away at the little time we have to answer baseless innuendo.

5. Unable to regain communication with the company, so we'll report what we know as it is getting the information. We can not fall into the error made in the forums to publish assumptions, personal comments, things that were heard to third parties, or make up information just to keep expectations and illusions that have already caused much pain and dissatisfaction in recent months by fault of those who created such expectations. The published notice must be valid and therefore supported.

6. We practice diplomacy and of which many complain is our line of action, but that should not be confused why we are "alcaguetiando" or "protecting" the directors of the company or herself. We are convinced that any action should be smart, not who ends up committing more the interests of all investors, the steps may be slow but assured. Anyway, if someone does not like our lines of action, is free to comment on them but hopefully with respect, as he is free to find or create another space or group where you can apply or follow the lines of action that he deems best .

7. We guarantee that we are not coerced or the company or third people.The accompany the company in everything that concerns our money back, will not mean silent affairs we do not like or cover them with meaningless arguments that seek to divert attention to this problem.

8. For those who seek to position us as a lawsuit against Mr. Germain Cardona Soler because they want to see in prison, just want to say that this is not the right way and therefore we will not take. If by tomorrow judicial action is required, it is to be aimed directly to recover the money that is what we all want, which is the main objective of the group.

Finally, we seek to share with you how to make contact with Mr. Germain Cardona Soler to clarify comments and questions that deserve the statement of 12 January and mail that we sent on January 5, doubts and questions that have to Like all and which must be promptly resolved. When this happens you informed promptly.

FFX proactive SOLUTIONS
Organizing Committee[/size][/quote][/quote]

To se vse skupaj lepo sliši,ampak tudi ta skupina do sedaj ni postregla z nobenim,niti posrednim dokazom,da je denar res blokiran oz. pod jurisdikcijo davčne ali ameriških oblasti..
Nekako čudno se mi zdi,da je vse informacije mogoče dobiti,
samo TE,ki je relevantna za nas vlagatelje pa NE..(z informacijami mislim Crown Gold-EMG,Cardona in podobne),to je samo moje razmišljanje,mogoče ima kdo drugačne argumente zakaj je to tako.. :?:

timor · Vajenec Pridružen/-a: 21.12. 2008, 07:38 Prispevkov: 73

Proaktiva naj dokaže svojo verodostojnost s tem, da zahteva od Cardone dokaze o blokadi, če to dobi ji bom šele takrat verjel. Dokler pa ne naredi nič konkretnega nemorem verjeti v njihovo verodostojnost.
Po njih delih jih boste spoznali in ne po tem kaj si želijo in govorijo, šteje samo to, kar naredijo.

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