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branik · Objavljeno: 17 Feb 2010 23:13 Naslov sporočila:

No nekaj malega iz konference...na brzino....bojda bi naj blo aprila ali maja vse gotovo....in rešeno tudi dokazni material bi naj prišel v javnost da ga vsi vidimo (glede obtožnice in postopka itd.)....operativni kapital bo na voljo v drugi polovici marca...ali v zač. aprila.....poslali naj bi v kratkem cca. 30.000 kartic....invseticije ki so bile narejene iz kupljenega ID-ja bodo obravnavane kot tiste ki so bile nakazane preko banke in bodo vrnjene....se pravi glavnice naj bi bile vrnjene....in potem je bilo tudi za PFP da bo to večja zadeva kot FFX in podobno...sicer nisem poslušal do konca ...če pa kdo je pa naj še kaj doda....

To niso moje obljube ....sem samo citiral in povedal kar je povedal German Cardona....

pajer1 · Objavljeno: 18 Feb 2010 05:48 Naslov sporočila:

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Sem spremljal, pa načeloma nič novega. Veliko če-jev. ko-jev, obljub, ki smo jih vajeni že eno leto, itd.

Povdaril bi, da bo na istem linku čez štirinajst dnni še ena konferenca.

LP

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periegetes · Objavljeno: 18 Feb 2010 13:12 Naslov sporočila:

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Predvčerajšnjim je tudi bilo nadaljevanje konference s G.CArdono, ki jo je organiziral PROACTIVE... Povzetek, ki je objavljen na forumu SoloAmigos je spodaj, preveden v angleščino:

[quote="proactivosporsolucionesenffx, 18. februar 2010, Forum Solo Amigos"]
[b]Conference held with German Cardona[/b]

Bogota February 17, 2010

Friends members and non-affiliated investors to Proactiv

Annex is a summary of the interview obtained by Mr. Germain Cardona Soler, which he first one hour on Saturday, February 6 and continued for three hours yesterday afternoon.

The conference was attended by representatives Proactive USA, Argentina, Ecuador, Mexico, Spain and Colombia, who freely can prove or disprove each of the lines written here. As construed was too long to transcribe spoken in these few pages, but when he has followed the protocol of not recording the conversation and selects the system of using summary notes taken by Mr. Javier Estrada, a relative of an investor and owner of the house where he developed the skype connection with the whole group in Colombia. However, it has sought to expand the summary notes, without the wording change the context of what we said Mr. Germain Cardona, now, what you say here is our interpretation, but what he says and so she tells in the third person, we have omitted the questions but the only content of each paragraph leaves implicit the question asked, reaching sometimes questions if composites.

FFX proactive SOLUTIONS

Organizing Committee

Friends members and non-affiliated investors to Proactiv

The following is a summary of the interview obtained by Mr. Germain Cardona Soler, which he first one hour on Saturday, February 6 and continued for three hours yesterday afternoon.

The conference was attended by representatives Proactive USA, Argentina, Ecuador, Mexico, Spain and Colombia, who freely can prove or disprove each of the lines written here. As construed was too long to transcribe spoken in these few pages, but when he has followed the protocol of not recording the conversation and selects the system of using summary notes taken by Mr. Javier Estrada, a relative of an investor and owner of the house where he developed the skype connection with the whole group in Colombia. However, it has sought to expand the summary notes, without the wording change the context of what we said Mr. Germain Cardona, now, what you say here is our interpretation, but what he says and so she tells in the third person, we have omitted the questions but the only content of each paragraph leaves implicit the question asked, reaching sometimes questions if composites.

MONIES INVESTED IN EUROPE

Investments in Europe are non-real estate projects that are divesting to pay the slope, they decide to do this because it was creating a credibility gap with Europe. The company wants everyone who invested in Europe has the necessary liquidity to do with your money what you want, either withdraw or continue investing through the regular figure.

In Europe it is also a small amount invested in financial products through companies that defaulted in making payments to FFX, to which today are pushing to get them back. But once it occurs, must reach or be sufficient to evacuate all pending in PM, it being understood that this is going to be all at once, that is now suddenly a small liquidity that is going to have this is to be used to perform some operations reimbursement; to this becomes available as the other liquidity, will cover everything. Germain is important to explain this, because if suddenly we see that withdrawals begin, everyone will want at the same time through transfers, cards and other charges, but will not be so. If everyone will recover at the same time they would, but you can and it makes clear, is to be made as you go obtaining liquidity.

In Europe, he said, came not much money as you think; the total of Europe will know what time when everything is in the hands of investors own this money, so if you want to understand is that enough to give each who do its part.

Is that the idea is that during the course of March, ie during the month, starts to place this money in the accounts of PM for people to do what you want with it, be it retirement or your investment through regular figure. .

What of Europe will be used:

a) To repay the investments that are sent directly there.

b) To repay the working capital percentage was reached to release the investors registered after August 2008, under the concept that they had obtained physical benefit of money, ie had not been paid nothing or little different from the back there at least had the opportunity to make profits. (This should be rectified as the communiqué of 8 December 2009, in the sense that there, said that these funds would be released unpaid 6 months or until the decision of U.S. authorities).
c) Cover all pending on PM to be considered operational.

You can not think that with money from Europe is going to pay anything more than the U.S. because there is no money in such situation.

SITUATION PLAN "B"

Recognizes that the Plan "B" came to understand was based on that new money is produced big returns sufficient to cover both those new investments to be blocked by replacing in the U.S. capital, but said that these expectations are not led successful and that 102 capital and so it did not work even after the June 1, not enough money was received or obtained sufficient leverage to operate in markets which raised such a strategy.

STATUS PROCESS IN USA

The delivery of evidence to authorities in the U.S., says Herman, who do not already have definitely contributed, but the lawyers are in the process, which is not to deliver an envelope with documents and ready, but deliver media , explaining cash them, support each data passing, meet the prosecutor's questions, etc.. That's what the lawyers have been in Panama and Spain gathered media, consulting Germain, and becoming aware of what was the operation of the company, which is difficult for the authorities, but is required to explain the prosecution. During this event, perceived to be paid much attention to what they say the complaints and claims circulating on the Internet and this increased the alarm, but also have learned to understand and take into account the official website of the company. For all the lawyers are having weekly meetings with the prosecutor, Germain says, not knowing and knowing, he can not say that trial lawyers have been delivered or not, this makes as part of the work and strategy of the lawyers.

Germain says he is optimistic that once received such evidence, justice is tilted in favor of investors. Because it is showing the money as he entered the U.S. and where it was operated and as money, in order to generate the returns were announced. Before, everything was blocked but no one knew exactly which accused the company, since November 2009 and we know exactly who he is accused and that is why today we have the evidence needed to address these allegations.

As for terms of time set by the authorities to stop presenting this evidence, there is not, but he trusts that the evidentiary process culminates as early as possible. Regarding allegations that the company was a ponzi, so far everything is in a civil process, and the idea is that with the introduction of evidence is demonstrated, not all transcends to criminal proceedings, and as such to occur release. He relies on the professionalism of the authorities and has been ready to work with them.

With regard to the question we all ask how long that will see concrete results with the U.S., he estimated that in a few weeks should be waking and concrete results on the subject of the process, but it is estimated that since not under his control these aspects of the authorities, he hopes for and all else fails it is shown that this is not a ponzi presents a case as he brought to the company. For there is a ponzi scheme financial statements should be below the number of business and as he has said previously, the financial statements were in surplus at the time of the crash.

LAWYERS

The change in the law firm that had initially, he says they were very good and reputable, but their support meant a great financial investment. He then switched firm and reduced costs, they are with that account since then and they seem very professional and loves attention, are perceived very active and this is good for the process, have made some very positive meetings with the authorities to ensure the progress of it.
When asked about the data from them, says that it is not desirable because it begins the llamadera supply them, and what is required is to ensure concentration on the job.

Regarding the transaction documents and supports that some investors have individually sent to U.S. authorities, particularly the IRS, he does not recommend that this is the appropriate solution method and quick, it would involve thousands of individual efforts and to verify , which will last longer. He says that's what the prosecutor who is who is getting the company to centrally all the respective tests, and all contracts and compliance of the operations of all investors. Likewise it is he who defines the accusatory. It is better that everything is centralized.

CASH WAITING

Once you authorize the release, the existing money is sufficient to settle all investments. You should not worry who made an investment through the exchange of money between investors, they are valid and will be respected. Rather than worry about whether to recover investment capital and returns, what is meant is that once proved to the authorities that the company is not a ponzi and allow the release of capital, will produce the necessary figures oversight and supervision of the authorities and participation of the same investors, for establishing the accounts clear about what is and what it is for everyone. The company at present is indifferent if the authorities decide to end the return of capital through them or directly to investors, in each case should produce the tools necessary to ensure control processes.

COMMODITIES AND INVESTMENT MADE BETWEEN SEPTEMBER AND FEBRUARY

The company had investments in Superior Investments and starts from November 2008 to ask the company's own money to investors, but are noticing that there are some delays that justified the company's existing banking controls transient. In February Germain begins to doubt the delay of several months, then decided to send lawyers to Florida Panama directly to establishing what happens is when you report between 24 and 28 that the blockade was a reality and what was being presented was not transient and that there is a deeper investigation by authorities who think he even going to be shorter than it is today.

The same case applies to the gold that was run by another firm, the lawyers report that the block is about a month, but still another month and then another and so far not been recovered in no time.

Germain said that based on this is that the transactions occurred in those months but have known it from the start things would have stopped the operations, as it did in February when he heard what was actually happening.

ARTICLE IN PRESS RECENTLY COME OUT IN FLORIDA AND FEDERAL INVESTIGATIONS

When asked about the newspaper article left in the Orlando Sentinel and we know from U.S. investors, who are two processes that are advanced against the company, one federal and the other with the ponzi scheme:

a) claims to know the newspaper article recently left the company which relate ponzi schemes and Daniel Fernández Rojo, but he does not deny what the newspapers say, or even rumors of people on the web, the strategy to adopt is just do not answer and let the lawyers do their work, which consists in this case to demonstrate what the company was doing at all is a ponzi. Hence the confidence and optimism that is in the presentation of evidence to advance the lawyers. FFX will answer only to authorities and investors and not to the press.

b) As to the Federal matter, not particularized by the reservation details of the case, but acknowledges that the authorities should do their job and the idea is to demonstrate that it is the ponzi scheme, with all that it entails the evidence, this will help to demonstrate the truth in the federal case, because at the end of the day everything is ahead in the same court.

CARDS

He says they are ready but have not sent by the same lack of liquidity that makes them useless for now

The Inspectorate

Given the reiteration of our proposed oversight or supervision, insists that now would be difficult because the materials are held by lawyers, but provides that at the time of release can be expected to participate as we are most representative organization, including monitoring of returns. That there exists any doubt we can compare.

ANALYSIS

He looks very confident and optimistic about the work developed by lawyers

She spoke in March to return it to Europe

When contradictions arise in the press; expressed the displeasure of going to unwrap the past of what he said he was going to do this or that conference or statement. He says there must be only what is and will be present and which are the daily changes in the situation which required him to make changes.

He looks very lively with new projects and continued its commitment to push the lawyers in the recovery of our money locked.

Once you have submitted the evidence, should be a decision soon by the authorities.[/quote]

Drobizek · Objavljeno: 18 Feb 2010 16:35 Naslov sporočila:

[quote="branik"]No nekaj malega iz konference...na brzino....bojda bi naj blo aprila ali maja vse gotovo....in rešeno tudi dokazni material bi naj prišel v javnost da ga vsi vidimo (glede obtožnice in postopka itd.)....operativni kapital bo na voljo v drugi polovici marca...ali v zač. aprila.....poslali naj bi v kratkem cca. 30.000 kartic....invseticije ki so bile narejene iz kupljenega ID-ja bodo obravnavane kot tiste ki so bile nakazane preko banke in bodo vrnjene....se pravi glavnice naj bi bile vrnjene....in potem je bilo tudi za PFP da bo to večja zadeva kot FFX in podobno...sicer nisem poslušal do konca ...če pa kdo je pa naj še kaj doda....

To niso moje obljube ....sem samo citiral in povedal kar je povedal German Cardona....[/quote]

če sem prov razumel, bodo tudi tisti dobili vrnjeno glavnico, katera je bila vplačana iz id na id?

branik · Objavljeno: 18 Feb 2010 19:04 Naslov sporočila:

Da...

uhan1 · Začetnik Pridružen/-a: 12.01. 2009, 14:16 Prispevkov: 16

Kdaj pa naj bi bile vrjene glavnice?

branik · Objavljeno: 18 Feb 2010 20:44 Naslov sporočila:

[quote="uhan1"]Kdaj pa naj bi bile vrjene glavnice?[/quote]

April, Maj....bi naj blo vse rešeno (to pravi German )

Remember · Objavljeno: 19 Feb 2010 00:38 Naslov sporočila:

[quote="branik"][quote="uhan1"]Kdaj pa naj bi bile vrjene glavnice?[/quote]

April, Maj....bi maj blo vse rešeno (to pravi German )[/quote]

Tukaj bi lahko še marsikaj povedali, samo dvomim da bo res tako.
Na vprašanje kje je uradni dokument se je začel tip smejat, jaz pa jokat :)

Če bi radi slišali še enkrat konferenco:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/o9ar04

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Video konferencija G. Cardone, 17.02.10.

Svi znamo koliko je bila teska prosla godina.Mislim da smo sada pri zavrsetku procesa u SAD-u i da cemo uskoro dobiti pozitivno rjesenje. Od samog pocetka procesa bilo ljudi koji se razumjeli situaciju, onih koji je nisu razumjeli ili je nisu htjeli razumjeti. Znamo da je to vama, kao i nama prouzrocilo mnoge probleme, znamo i razumijemo da su ljudi nervozni, jer u tim investicijama im je novac koji im je potreban.

Ova firma je stvorena kako bi investitori ostvarivali profit. Zbog toga smo u protekloj godini ucinili sve da se blokirani novac oslobodi. Nismo se sakrivali, jer nismo nista loseg ucinili.

Pri kraju smo procesa i nasi advokati prezentiraju tuzilastvu dokazni materijal i vjerujem da ce se slucaj rijesiti brzo, vrlo brzo.

To ce pokazati da smo uvijek radili za dobro investitora. Ponavljam, bila je teska godina, dali smo i svoju kozu kako bi investitori dobili povrat svojih investicija. Vjerujem da cemo vrlo brzo slaviti pobjedu.

Pitanja i odgovori

< Sto de dogada s investicijama u Europi? U kojoj je fazi deinvestiranje i kada ce se moci raspolagati s tim novcem?

- Kao sto smo vec ranije najavili, u drugoj polovici ozujka (marta) moci ce se slobodno raspolagati tim novcem.

< U kojoj fazi je pravni postupak u SAD-u?

- U 11. mjesecu smo dobili informaciju od tuzilastva o potrebnoj dokumentaciji. Tijekom 12 i 1. mjeseca pripremala se je ta dokumentacija i do sada je vec realializirano nkoliko susreta nasih advokata s tuziocem. Inace, nisu mi to rekli advokati, ali ja vjerujem da bi slucaj mogao biti rijesen kroz nekih dva mjeseca.

I sam sam osobno imao vrlo tesku godinu, ali sada sam zaista optimistican i vjerujem u pozitivno rjesenje.

< Sto se dogada s karticama?

- Mislim da cemo sutra ili prekosutra imati jedan sastanak na kojem ce se odluciti o terminu prebacivanja sredstava s PM na ForexOne, koji bi tada nakon nekoliko dana mogao zapoceti s radom. Na PFPlace cemo staviti Baner i obavijest o pocetku rada, a na adrese ce pristici 30.000 novih kartica.

< Sto se smatra glavnicom i sto ce se isplatiti?

- Pricekajmo da se novac oslobodi. Investitori ce imati svoje predstavnike koji ce zajedno s nama odluciti o nacinu isplate. Ali to je u slucaju da se kapital vrati firmi. Moguce je da on bude isplacen direktno na racune ulagaca. O tome ce odluciti sud.

< Govori se da je zlato oslobođeno - je li to istina?

- To je neistinito!

< Sto se dogada s investitorima koji su otkupili saldo od nekog drugog investitora?

- Investicija ivestitora koji su otkupili saldo od nekoga, isto se smatra glavnicom.

Znajte da je to vrlo teska situacija i mi trazimo najbolje rjesenje, ali sigurno neki nece biti zadovoljni tim rjesenjem.No, nastojat cemo uciniti najbolje moguce...

< Hocete li nam kasnije moci dokumentirati da je istina sve ovo sto govorite?

- Da, kasnije ce se sve znati.

< Sto je s dobitima?

- Dobiti necemo moci isplatiti, a zasto, to ce sve vasi predstavnici moci i sami vidjeti.

< Koliko je kapitala u postocima u Europi?

- U 11. mjesecu je bilo 2-3 %.

< Hoce li se prilikom isplate svim ulagacima smanjiti jednaki postotak?

- Sve to, nacin i oblik isplate odlucit ce vasi predstavnici, a ne ja.

< Vrsi li se nad ForexOne-u pravni postupak?

- I druge vrlo znacajne brokerske kuceu Svicarskoj i Europi bile su, ili jesu pod istragom. Nakon zavrsetka dobit cemo nove informacije.

< Sto se dogada s Commodietes-om i CornerFX-om?

- Ista stvar, blokirano je. Iz CornerFX-a ce se kroz nekoliko dana moci prebaciti novac na PM.

< U kakvim je investicijama kapital investiran u Europi?

- Zbog vase sigurnosti bolje je da da to ne kazem. Jer pocela bi telefoniranja, konraktiranja itd i to bi moglo ometati daljnji tijek procesa u Americi.

< Sto je s Altair karticama?

- Mislim da cemo vrlo brzo moci prebacivati novac na kartice, te da ce se uskoro pitanje isplata normalizirati.

< Hoce li FFX nastaviti s egsistirati nakon isplate kapitala invetitorima?

- Mi moramo cuvati novac investitora, a to vise ne mozemo s firmom reguliranoj u Panami. zato smo vas doveli do regularne brokerske kuce ForexOne-a, gdje mozete investirati na regularni nacin, na vlastito ime.

< Koji postotak od novaca koji vidimo na svojim stranicama mozemo ocekivati?

- Nece se isplacivati odredeni postotak, jer je svaka stranica svaki investitor situacija za sebe. Isplatit ce se ulozeni kapital.

< Zasto su informacije bile neredovite i na kapaljku?

- Jer prije godinu dana nismo imali bas puno informacija, a kasnije smo neke informacije morali cuvati u interesu procesa. Nasa namjera je uspjesno rijesiti proces, a kasnije cemo dati sve informacije.

< Kada mozemo ocekivati slijedecu konferenciju?

- Slijedeca konferencija bit ce za dva tjedna.

Zahvaljujem vam na prisustvovanju ovoj konferenciji i na povjerenju koje imate u nas.

timor · Vajenec Pridružen/-a: 21.12. 2008, 07:38 Prispevkov: 73

Torej glavni promotorji so edini, ki so kaj zaslužili oziroma dobili izplačan dobiček. Vsi ostali smo seveda svoj denar s pomočnjo promotorjev posodili Cardoni za dve leti in to brez obresti. Tudi če dobimo glavnice nazaj, smo potegnili kratko. Kako bo Cardona dokazal, da se z našim denarjem ni okoristil ? Mislim, da bodo nekateri kljub temu, da dobijo glavnice nazaj, vložili tožbe !!!

JELEN · Začetnik Pridružen/-a: 03.01. 2009, 14:49 Prispevkov: 17

Post birsan...

Razlog - neprimerna vsebina...

zajec · Vajenec Pridružen/-a: 05.05. 2009, 20:40 Prispevkov: 57

Se popolnoma strinjam s Timorjem. Po eni strani bomo lahko veseli, če bomo dobili vsaj svoj vložek nazaj, po drugi strani pa glede na obljubljene obresti, sedaj ne bom dobil niti 1%, kar je še slabše kot če bi imel denar na banki, ki je seveda najslabša možnost glede finančnih vlaganj. Torej 2 leti popolnoma mrtev kapital. Kot že rečeno, tudi če dobim svoj vložek nazaj, sem bom vedno spraševal, kdo se je okoristil z mojimi obrestmi. Še v lanskem letu je bilo v eni od danih informacij rečeno, da bomo dobili glavnico in večji del obresti. Mislim, da bo moral g. Cardona bolj natančno pojasniti, kam je šel denar.

BIZNIS · Objavljeno: 19 Feb 2010 18:21 Naslov sporočila:

pa kaj vam je bote vsaj vesel da bo glavnica če bo jest nebom nč razmišljal o obrestih in podobno samo da se tako razplete,pač tako je in kaj čmo vi pa res niste nč zadovoln??????

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Remember · Objavljeno: 20 Feb 2010 02:27 Naslov sporočila:

Podpišem zdaj vse papirje sam da vrne Cardona mojo glavnico obresti naj si obdži.

dan · Vajenec Pridružen/-a: 20.02. 2009, 16:22 Prispevkov: 80

[quote="zajec"]Se popolnoma strinjam s Timorjem. Po eni strani bomo lahko veseli, če bomo dobili vsaj svoj vložek nazaj, po drugi strani pa glede na obljubljene obresti, sedaj ne bom dobil niti 1%, kar je še slabše kot če bi imel denar na banki, ki je seveda najslabša možnost glede finančnih vlaganj. Torej 2 leti popolnoma mrtev kapital. Kot že rečeno, tudi če dobim svoj vložek nazaj, sem bom vedno spraševal, kdo se je okoristil z mojimi obrestmi. Še v lanskem letu je bilo v eni od danih informacij rečeno, da bomo dobili glavnico in večji del obresti. Mislim, da bo moral g. Cardona bolj natančno pojasniti, kam je šel denar.[/quote]

Realno gledano vecina ne bo dobila niti glavnice. Nekateri "v dobrih casih" so kupovali obresti z dodatno vrednostjo samo da je bilo hitreje na balancu, kateri smo poslali preko banke smo izgubili nekaj na stroskih banke, VSI smo pa izgubili na vrednosti dolarja. Investicija je v USD in takrat ko je smo lahko investirali je bil USD kar nekaj % vec vreden proti EUR. Pa da se odbijemo stroske "predragih" kartic, so investitorji, ki so investirali med 3K in 5K EUR kar 15-20% v minusu.
Investitorji Z vecjimi vlozki pa prav tako. Pa da ne govorimo o inflaciji..... pa vidmo kje smo....

bassdrum · Objavljeno: 20 Feb 2010 07:50 Naslov sporočila:

tako hudo spet ni, v slo je bila pred nedavnim tudi deflacija - po domače denar ima večjo kupno moč, prav tako se je v zadnjem času dolar zelo okrepil, tako da če dobimo glavnice bomo kar na dobrem.

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